Diary of a Struggling Quiznos Store Owner
Editor's note: Franchise owners sometimes fear retribution from franchisors for saying things the franchisor does not want out. They use the Internet tradition (and ours) of allowing anonymous comments under news articles and forum discussion postings. This story is from an anonymous poster who calls herself Elizabeth and says she is a Quiznos store owner. She could be anyone. So, you will need to determine if her story is genuine or not. It was originally posted as a comment under a Quiznos news article. Some format changes have been made and headlines added for easier reading. We hope successful and satisfied owners will likewise post their ownership stories.
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Prospective Quiznos buyers please read this carefully. I have always prided myself in the fact that I try to make good decisions. Yet, the decision of my husband and myself to purchase a Quizno’s restaurant is one decision that has been anything but positive. Please take your time reading my story because it may help you to avoid making a terrible mistake. I am hoping that by sharing my experience the information may save your family, finances, sanity and future.
Yea! Revenues in the Top Third of the System. Profits??
We transferred our Quiznos over 23 months ago. Our weekly labor ranges between 22% to 25% - the goal is 20%. Average food costs range between 30% to 33% the goal is 30%. Not only have we not made money, but we have lost over $45,000 in the last twelve months in addition to $34,000 during the first 11 months.
Additionally, another Quiznos near my location is also showing similar dollar losses based upon information that the owner has shared. I realize that there are poor stores in the system. It is unrealistic to assume that every owner runs a great operation.
Our store has one of the highest customer approval ratings in the area. In addition, our location regularly appears on the top half of page two of the weekly blast fax. The blast fax is an intra-company sales reporting tool utilized by owners in order to compare their store statistics to a large grouping within a certain geographic region. It is of great concern that our business is making more than 2/3 of our geographic region and yet we are not even breaking even.
One wonders how the stores that are producing less volume than ours manage to survive? The fact is that most do not for long. The owners eventually become disappointed with this company and are either forced to sell or walk away because they can not find a buyer.
Despite working as an unpaid “volunteer” at our location for the past 22 months I have never sacrificed quality or service. We have never skimped on labor in order to squeeze more money out of the bottom line. Our store is meticulously clean and the employees are well trained.
Yet, despite all of our efforts, we have lost a lot of money.
Yes, we conduct local marketing weekly in addition to other strategies that the company suggests to increase revenue - but to no avail.
Some Stores Are Profitable
There are a fortunate few that are doing well, however, this is a rare exception. I too have a friend that is profitable. Her location is in a busy commercial district with plenty of daytime professional traffic in addition to evening residents as well. She is one of the fortunate stores that appear regularly on the top of the first page of the blast fax. Yet, despite the fact that her store is one of the more frequented locations, she has remarked that because her business is one of the highest grossing stores in the region, she is frankly surprised that she is not making a greater profit. She, like I, works her business diligently both in front and behind the scenes. She is also one of the fortunate few.
In our case, the fact that the company put not one - but three - new Quiznos extremely close to our existing store has been but one of several factors for our lack of profit. Even our customers remark that they are surprised that the company places stores in such close proximity. Our restaurant, once grossed between $9,000 to $11,000 average per week before we bought it. The addition of the other stores dramatically cut into our customer base. Currently, a $9,000 week is the rare exception. After paying over $320,000 for this store, we expected to at least net $70,000 per year. We would settle for breaking even at this point. We still have customers that make the extra trip to patronize our store because we offer the best service and most pleasant environment of the other Quiznos in the immediate vicinity. Yet, that is not enough to help our bottom line.
Finally, A Way Out!
We realized that we were not going to make money two months into our venture. We put our store on the market right away. Today, almost two years later, we have been forced due to financial constraints to give it away.
Another owner has offered us $90,000 and we are finally getting out. He knows that he will make a profit because at $90,000 it is a positive net sum gain for him. A store can not even be constructed for $90,000. He has said that based upon our P&L and the price that he is paying, he will probably make about $30,000 - perhaps $35,000 per year at our location. The key to profitability according to our buyer, is owning several locations that can be purchased for very little and planning to make about $30 - $50K per location based upon the traffic flow of each individual store. The key is to pay as low as possible for a store in order to squeeze out a small profit from each location.
Why Do Quiznos Stores Fail So Frequently?
One might ask why do so many franchisees fail to make a profit and so few do?
The answers are:
- The profitable stores are located in areas with significant traffic flow to offset the high costs associated with operating one of these stores.
- Non profitable stores (poor operations excluded) have been canabalized by our very own franchisor. It is apparent that none of the company’s decision makers understand the franchisor’s own required reading of “Behind the Golden Arches, The Ray Croc Story”. If they understood the symbiotic relationship that exists between corporate and its franchisees, then they would realize that the franchisee is the life blood of the company and it is not in anyone’s best interest to undermine the very people that make the system operate.
- A store’s location is not sufficient to produce the high traffic necessary to cover its numerous expenses.
- In regard to expenses, the franchisor has a monopoly upon most services, food and equipment necessary for us to operate. There are simply too many hands in the till for profit to filter down to the bottom line - the franchisee. There is something very wrong when a person can go to their local Restaurant Depot and find the same exact product made by the same manufacturer, same weight and ingredients but pay half the price of the same item sold by our required distributor. Many of my fellow owners have found this to be true regarding food and equipment time and time again. Other franchises that have a “franchisee consortium” responsible for monitoring and regulating costs of the goods and services utilized by franchisees have not only a higher satisfaction rate but are profitable as well. - (Source QSR magazine.) Of course there are always problems even in the best of systems, yet the bottom line is profitability. No one buys a business because they “like” the product. Investors purchase businesses in order to make money. In addition, there is no transparency within the company despite the fact that our franchisee’s pay extremely high royalties. Where there are royalties there should be total transparency. These restaurants are a long shot in the very best case. Yes, there are those who will sing the praises of the franchisor, but the extreme and vast majority will say that it is simply not worth the time or investment.
- The existing business model is fatally flawed and operates for the sole purpose of making money for corporate as well as their investors.
- Many of us have paid too much for our stores.
- The costs keep creeping back up from the reductions announced by last year’s new administration while the suggested retail prices have either fallen or remained the same.
Our broker has decided not to sell any future Quiznos until the company changes its entire business model. Ours will be the last that he will handle until the tide truly turns.
It has been predicted by the new administration that the future for Quiznos is “bright” and that eventually there will be more “positive” stories rather than negative ones such as ours. It is a known fact that there are at least 450 Quiznos for sale on a well known web based real estate site versus only 24 Subways.
Why do you think that is the case?
Stories just like ours have played out and are occurring every day.
Of course, Subway has its share of difficulties as well, but one thing is undeniable, a Subway does not stay on the market very long before it sells, whereas it is almost impossible to sell a Quiznos - let alone give them away as lease assumption only. Someone must be making something worthwhile at our competitor’s stores otherwise they would not be in such high demand. It is widely viewed that the “happy” owners of the future will be the ones that are either the second or third generation franchisees. When those of us who have over paid and are not able to financially continue on at our Quizno’s “volunteer” jobs have either had enough and sold for pennies on the dollar or “gone dark” the next generation - the future “happy” ones - will take over what we have built with our blood, sweat, tears and cold hard cash.
So yes, the company is accurate on one point: There will eventually be many more positive stories about which the company will boast. Those stories will come from the new owners who have purchased the deal of a lifetime and will ultimately profit from our failed investments. At the price that most of us are either walking away from or giving them away for in order to extricate ourselves from this financial nightmare called Quiznos, the next owners will actually be able to make a living from one of these stores. It is called “churning” and I firmly believe that this is an integral strategy to the corporation’s plan to make their restaurants a worthwhile investment in the future. It is simply a matter of time before we all cry “uncle” and corporate knows it.
And yes, then the next generation will truly be “happy”.
Please think carefully before you invest in ANY business. Perform due diligence, talk to other owners, read comments posted on the Internet, read trade magazines - anything that will help you to make an informed and objective decision. I only wish that we had known about this web site as well as the many others that I have since found in our familie’s nightmare odyssey. Perhaps things would be different and life would actually be “normal”.
This was a very costly lesson. Our lives, my children's sense of security and future has been devastated by this experience. We are struggling just to survive at this point.
I hope that you can learn from our mistake.
Elizabeth
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Several years ago, I opened my own restaurant - not a franchise. It failed after only 11 months. I lost my entire life savings, my home and my marriage. I even lost my pots and pans from home that I'd brought to the restaurant. The restaurant was seized by the county tax authorities. I lost everything, and I can empathize with others who have found themselves in the same position. Elizabeth says she had to "give it away" for $90,000. Poor thing. I WISH I'd had that opportunity. And, based on what I read on here, I WISH I'd had a franchisor to blame. Come on. There is no silver bullet - not even being a franchise. Businesses fail. All over the world, businesses fail. Especially in this economy. If I'd had a proven system by which to develop and operate my restaurant, an established supply chain, slick marketing materials and a recognizable brand, perhaps my restaurant would have succeeded. Perhaps not. A franchise gives you a head start, a step up, and it appears from reading these posts, a target to shoot at when it falls apart. What it doesn't give you is a guarantee. Nothing can or should replace due diligence, hard work, acceptance of responsibility, and knowing that, in life, not everything works out. It's not a fun thing to go through - in fact, it's pretty horrible. But you learn, you rebuild, you take responsibility for your own decisions, and you move on. Elizabeth, I'm jealous of your ability to sell your failed business, and I'm jealous of your having someone to blame and to take your anger out on. Good luck to you and everyone else in the same situation. Things usually work out if you don't give up, and there is life on the other side. Don't lose the opportunity to learn the important lessons from your ordeal - and how your franchisor sucked is probably not the most important lesson to learn.
Having read Diary of a Struggling Quiznos Owner, I was curious to understand just how prevalent this situation has become.
While I sympathize with you and understand the situation, it is often difficult to discern anecdotal information (which is what this story is) with what is happening throughout a large franchise network. And if you want to enact change, it is necessary to provide more substantial information that supports these individual stories.
So out of curiosity, I searched our survey respondent database to determine if our survey results correspond with this story. Interestingly, I found that not one single Quiznos franchisee has participated in our National Franchisee Survey. And without participation, we are unable to validate the information presented in this posting.
So while I would have liked to provide some network wide information that may have supported or disproved the situation described, I have found this to be impossible.
Perhaps, over time, we will receive a sufficient number of responses that will allow us to disseminate some information that either supports or disproves this situation as described.
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There are many reasons why franchisees don't participate in surveys. In bad systems, the most common is that the franchisor prefers not to invite them to participate because the result won't enhance the opportunity to sell franchises. For many others they look to the results of such surveys and see that the vast majority target benefits for the franchisor where only in good systems do we see a flow on effect where the value of the franchisee's investment may be enhanced.
I'm all for accurate franchising data when we know who pays for it, what the parameters are and what processes are to be employed. How often do franchisees instigate a formal survey? Perhaps they should!!!
Don't simply look to the anicdotal at Q. Look to the evaporating store numbers and look to the litigation. How about a free full blown Q Franchisee Network survey indepndent of the franchisor? I'm sure Q would be appreciative of the guidence it would provide.
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what state are you guys from??
I am thinking about buying an existing Quiznos franchise.
It says it makes about $ 27,000.00 monthly sales.
With what everyone is saying: is it possible to make a profit with this sales volume?
Does anyone have a neutral Profit & Loss statement to share for their existing / former Quiznos?
Thank you,
Bernard
Bernard, run don't walk away from this deal! At $27,000/month you wont even break even! Trust me, we have owned one for a little less than 2 years and have lost a ton of money. The only one making anything is corporate. The food costs are so high and they make you set your prices so low, that there is nothing left for you at the end of the day. We have not had ANY PAY from this business in 6 months. Thank god I have another full time job that actually pays our personal bills. We will probably go bankrupt on the business and ruin our once perfect credit.
I can't believe anyone who reads this site (or does a minimal amount of homework) would consider purchasing a Quiznos.
Benard...I've been a Quiznos Franchise Owner for over 8 years now and can confirm in 100% agreement that Elizabeth's story is NOT unique. If you're unemployed looking to buy a job you would be better off in the short and long term to get a job flipping burgers in a McDonalds or even working behind the line at a Quiznos than owning one of these Nightmares. I'm a top ranked store in an awesome location and can't even scrape up a livable wage. Please, PLEASE for the sake of your family, your marriage, your house, your children's college education, PLEASE don't get involved with this franchise and the people who run it - Rick Schaden. I've helped 39 franchise owners close there stores in the past 3 years and I simply don't want to help you do the same as well.
to direct you to your own answers regarding Quiznos. I'm more interested in how much difficulty you will have differentiating good from bad when it comes to your second choice franchise.
The problem you have is understanding all that you risk when you sign a contract without extensive due diligence and in your case, as with most, getting assistance from someone who understands the totality of that risk.
No one has to spend money to find out Q would be your worst nightmare. You need to start considering the cost of due diligence as insurance and a set up cost. Or you could practice living on the street without your family, access to money and health care for say ... 3 months. Seriously; try it - its a freakin ball.
Be careful ... be smart ... and be very affraid.
The more things change; the more they stay the same.
My gosh i feel for all of the quiznoes business owners that have lost a fortune on their investment. I am actively pursuing buying a existing quiznoes franchise for $50,000. $12,500 down and $37,500 financed at a 12% interest rate which really is pennies on the dollar compared to what some of you have paid. Given the huge discount would any of you guys unbiasly buy into the franchise? Another question I have is im trying to calculate financial projections would any of you know approx what your expenses consisted of...and would you be willing to share some of that information with me? Thanks
You have heard the saying "you get what you pay for". Take that one step further with Quiznos. If they paid you to re-open a closed Quiznos, you would still be heading down the wrong road. The business model does not work and Rick Schaden treats his franchise owners like crap.
Google 123 Fit, Schadens fitness franchise. Look what he did to the owners of this franchise. He did it in a matter of a few years.
Call any number of Quiznos owners and you won't find one who would tell you to buy into this mess unless it was their own store they wanted to sell.
I have lost my life savings to these scumbags. They didnt call me to ask why I had closed my doors. They changed my opening date 13 times. They told me my store would sell north of $15000 a week. They had understated the cost of the the project. I could go on and on. Banks lost a tonne of money. I lost a tonne of money. Credit card companies lost a tonne of money and Quiznos walked away with it all and have no remorse for causing me to go bankrupt. If anyone wants to know some real and true stories in which I can with more then sufficient evidence back up my story you can email me at rogerwaynee@hotmail.com
Bankruptcy after bankruptcy. Very sad.
Elizabeth, I appreciate your posting. It is a great warning to others. And you have my sympathy. I am very curious about several things you have written, one of which is the 320k you paid. How much of that 320k is coming out of your actual pocket?
FuwaFuwaUsagiFuwaFuwaUsagi
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers."
Boy,
Please stop playing these little kid games. Stop all this bully stuff or I'll call your mommy to give you a good spanking.
Sure deserves to be stopped. I wonder what it would take to stop them from hurting so many people. Remember there is other off springs (franchises) they are starting. The best thing to do is have people tell their stories. While those of us who have been tremendously hurt by them have to deal with a different type of life that we are not use to. A life full of worry about paying landlords, lawyers and all the other bills. We should of never opened and used the money for lawyers. The key is to get out as soon as possible. Then you'll have money to fight the bad guys. Not to mention enough money to live a decent life.
"Don't get into the bed with sandwich devil, fitness devil, burger devil"
See the stories are consistant. Keep them coming so others will not make the same mistake. Hopefully justice will become a reality.
I am sorry you had to go through this. There are thousands out there going through financial hell.
Shame on you Quizno's. Hurting one person after another.
Alex,
I am a current franchisee of a different system and am looking at the TDM concept. I am in a market that is not currently being served in the Mexican segment. My point of entry would be VERY cheap. Are your loses primarily initial investment or operating costs? I would like to talk with you more and will call you next week.
Potential TDM Fran
Your story is so much like my story. I felt the same way. If I had discovered BMM before we signed the agreement I know we would of never done it. It is stories like yours that keeps coming up that proves something is wrong in the world of franchising that needs to be fixed.
I also had that gut feeling something was wrong but thought we were trapped and had to make this pig fly. It was the worst decision we ever made. I just wish we would of got out sooner.
We had a franchise that was started by the same people like Q. Is it any wonder we share the same out come?
(I have to write something because in case you are the guest bashing me for trying to console people with our experiences. I just want to say "Boo!")
Guest:
You have my deepest sympathies. And I mean that sincerely. Thank you for answering the question. The reason for the query should now be obvious to all, it was to illustrate the "price" of the decision you made, perhaps others can learn from your words. I commend for accepting that you made an unfortunate choice, you paid a very dear price for that education. But as is said, in every misfortune there lay the seed of triumph. I am confident with given time, you will recover and prosper. And take comfort in the fact you reached for the brass ring, so many others never try. You will not live your live in regret for what might have been if only...you reached for your dream, that you fell short puts you in fine company with others of integrity that simply sought to walk their own way in life.
All the best,
FuwaFuwaUsagi
FuwaFuwaUsagi
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers."
To give such a broad statement as "franchising sucks" shows how little you know. An entire industry covering such a huge ranges of businesses cannot simply "suck" There are of course bad eggs in franchising, there are once successful franchises that are now not so successful. As the market changes some franchises that used to do well can now find themselves in dire straights. There can also be changes of management which in turn do not understand the business model and make bad decisions. there are all sorts of ways a franchise can fail, there are also franchises which succeed and do so fantastically, even with market change. There are franchises with hundreds of happy and prosperous franchisees.
So, to say "franchising sucks" is a little naive, if not plain stupid. But then, thats the typical responce on open forums and comment boards.
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...in their own eyes. Isn't that so?
However, when you see these things play out a few times, at perhaps more of a distance and with other investors, you see that Q [or X or Y or Z] are mere pimps in a second-rate bordello of an industry.
They put your critical thinking facilities on hold for long enough to spring a trap that only those with much greater intellectual ability built and charge protection fees to champion.
Franchisors like this are simply half-developed cowards who are more to pitied than feared. But if you make the material world your treasure, well...
They're going to crucify you.
And perhaps, over time, that is the gift these buffoons brought for you: Part of you has to die...every ass has his day... Tempting, though.
Les Stewart MBA
Understanding Franchising
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At times it is easier to submit as an article perhaps.
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Are the franchises successful 1st, 2nd or company stores? Be specific about who is successful. The first generation zee has a less chance of making it and they get sucked dry financially. Franchising sucks especially for the first to open. And perhaps the 2nd generation will go under also. Another zee sucked dry financially. Now do you see why I and many across the interenet proclaims franchising sucks?
Many franchise lawyers also say there are very few good franchises. Several I talked to in person and on the phone. In fact one franchise lawyer stated he carries his whole law firm. With the others getting a few cases. What does that tell you?
As a franchisee you do not own your own business.
FuwaFuwaUsagi
FuwaFuwaUsagi
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers."
The bank owns your business. Stop paying them and watch what happens.
Not necessarily true.
Consider this: Zees are a busy lot. Ex-franchisees may have more time than current zees. And disgruntled zees may have considerably more passion to post.
could be closer to the truth. This is the reality that most victims of the franchise world cannot get a grip of. When they do a whole new world opens up to them. A world of crooks that hide behind their one sided UFOC. Giving them permission to be unethical to the max. Cost people's lives being ruined financially, emotionally and sometimes loosing their spouses due to the stress of it all.
Fuwa claims life is unfair and he is right. Until we grasp that reality we will not understand the mind of the zor. He is out for himself and until we understand that the zor is evil (Q) then we are incapable of protecting ourselves. They are looking for ways of using our money, labor to build his brand and empire.
I tend to look only at the good. Let's face it- the world is more fun to live in when we see only the good. Reality is to acknowlege evil and know how to protect ourselves from these scum of the earth.
In the franchising world to protect us we need to seek the right franchise lawyer. Until we do that we should never sign a franchise agreement or any contract.
Boy did you get the worst of all franchise contracts - not 5 years, 10 or even 20 but one with no ending.
Well, when you are in heaven and think you've escaped your perpetual clause, just remember that God was the first franchisor. He franchised man in his brand image. Then commanded him to pay tithes.
Can't stop laughing. The only difference is God isn't evil. Plus he doesn't need our money. The churches do. That is not God. And yes he does command us to tithe. Long time ago the tithe was to help support the preacher and give to the poor.
The difference in franchising is the zor takes from the zee who isn't even near as rich as him. Then in a short time the zor gets all his money. I call it King Zor and his peasents.
In history you see many kings overthrown. I am hoping there will be justice for the zees. And King Zor will be out in the cold like he has done to us. What goes around comes around.
unless there are specific clause that restrict contract rights. If all iit says is that it can only be terminated for cause, that's probably not enforceable.--
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
That is horrible. The sad part they are not stopping with Quiznos. Schaden will continue to start one franchise and another. His newest is Smash Burger. We bought into 123 fit. Many lies. We didn't loose as much but have to sell another business to pay for the lost of this unwise adventure. Many of the clubs are dropping out.
I understand Smash Burger is Shaden's newest franchise. But they still own 50% of Quiznos.
Since we share the same UFOC, (which the name Quiznos appears accidently) it will be interesting to see the out come of the trial. We are all waiting to see what happens.
How did you manage to lose your 401k?
Curious,
FuwaFuwaUsagi
FuwaFuwaUsagi
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers."
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