Cuppy's Coffee Announces Move to Alabama
FORT WALTON BEACH, Fla. (Blue MauMau) - Having acquired Florida-based Cuppy's Coffee at the end of April, Dale Nabors announced on Friday that the coffee chain's head office will move to Alabama on September 1.
Cuppy's to move 360 miles to Muscle Shoals, AL.
In a letter to Cuppy's franchisees, the new CEO explains the reasons for the move of some 360 miles to the north. "Muscle Shoals is centrally located and it will serve to reduce operational costs," Nabors writes. He reiterates that the goals are to "open all unopened stores as quickly as possible" and to increase "retained earnings of all present and future franchisees."
Cuppy's to move 360 miles to Muscle Shoals, AL.
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"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers."
- I thought the police should be called, others in the BMM community pooh-poohed that idea.
Mr. Nabors' went on to become involved with Cuppy's where you presumably experienced his brand of charm. Les Stewart MBA FranchiseFool: Understanding FranchisingLes Stewart MBA FranchiseFool :: WikidFranchise
This phone number is for a bill collection agency. About all they can do is send nasty letters, and previous franchisees have tried that without success.
You will need to litigate this and obtain a judgment. Anything that you say to third parties is at best superfluous and at worst may damage your case.
If you are trying to get your money back from Cuppy's, your best bet would be to contact one of the law firms which has expressed an interest in litigation against this franchisor.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
I am dismayed by the aspersions being cast upon this fine franchisor. According to the IFA website , this company has been franchising since 2006 and has 225 units. And 2008 isn't even done yet!! In addition, according to the IFA website, this franchisor has received an award from the AAFD, which is still being trumpeted even as of today.
The IFA also states :
Since "satisfactory financial condition" is a prerequisite for IFA membership, these scurrilous libels being spread about the franchisor pilfering of deposit monies and not being able to pay them back are by definition untrue.
I also believe that Michael Webster owes this IFA member an apology. Many of you may recall that Mr. Webster has indicated that this company is not merely unethical, but it has violated franchise statutes. But such a company could not be an IFA member. Well, what do you say now Mr.Webster?
As the unified voice of franchising, the IFA finding that Cuppy's has a satisfactory financial condition and is obeying all laws is good enough for me.
Plus... the IFA requires the franchisor to adhere to a Code of Ethics (At least until the member goes to prison ).
So stop accusing this franchisor of unethical behavior.
I hope this will settle this debate once and for all.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Uh, Suzy you may want to read all of Paul's posts about Cuppy's. You are a little late to this party; Paul has been one of attorney's who brought to light much of what was wrong with Cuppy's.
Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"
Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"
MW: This is why my career as a standup comic has achieved about as much success as defrauded franchisees writing the IFA.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
I think that the original question was whether employees of the ZOR had been given W2s.
This might get interesting. The amount noted as withholding and FICA contributions should be verified (employees can obtain their FICA data from the SSA to cross-check against the W2) since it is not unheard of for companies in financial trouble to withhold from the paycheck but not actually remit the funds to the government.
I would also check to see if there is proper continuity during the change in control from Morgan to Nabors. The YTD amounts should not have been reset when Nabors took over since Nabors purchased the entire corporate entity (stock purchase).
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
I like IFA. Of all the players in franchising they are the one and only defender of the smallest sector in franchising; franchisors. IFA are totally committed to supporting those unfortunates in their stable who stray for it is those who would stray that offer the greatest financial support to IFA.
IFA's B.S. department works tirelessly to protect the reputation of members whose reputations have been tainted by "poor operators" who conned their way into previously reputable franchise systems. IFA influences governments to look the other way, academics to sign off on corrupted data and uninterested media to add colour where so much is so difficult to see.
Give credit where credit is due. IFA represents less than .01 of one percent of all the players in US franchising and yet they continue to get as much mention as the most wicked in their small stable.
I like the Australian version more though. The FCA have come out of the closet with way too much BS in response to a tsunami of loud, unappreciative franchisee peasants and now it appears FCA has no credibility any longer, anywhere. They have managed to totally marginalise their organization and their "partners" and everything you knew about them - now everyone accepts.
While they can still buy a desperate academic to join them in their embarrassment, the tide has turned where media and politicians are shunning these dirty little people. This is a beautiful thing and very satisfying. “Joy to the world ... etc ...”
As IFA were kind enough to get behind FCA in their Inquiry time of need it would be nice to see some of the stinking fallout wash over IFA.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The IFA's Code of Ethics have little or no force.
And as such, the IFA can never be a trade association because they have no demonstrated interest in protecting the brand of "franchising".
If the IFA wanted to be a real trade association concerned with maintaining the brand of "franchising" they would be giving away Bob Purvin's Franchise Fraud on their website.
The IFA may perform a valuable service for its members, but it is not the guardian of the reputational capital for franchise systems.
Has the IFA ever taken legal action to enforce its Code of Ethics?
Michael Webster PhD LLB
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Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"
effect. My God, man, is it really different in Canada?--
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
1. Modern day Trade associations are the pale descendants of the Guilds: formidable economic entities that used regulation to protect their trade secrets or what we would call "brands".
2. Guilds blew themselves up, partly with the help of Adam Smith, in England but remain a political force in Europe.
3. The particular concern for the IFA is that when you let in the Jim Amos types of the world, and he blows up too many franchise systems, the brand of "franchising" becomes totally tarnished. The crap that passes through minimal scrutiny and obtains the reputation by association with other serious franchise systems should worry the IFA - but it doesn't.
4. The AAFD is the only franchise trade association who will expel a member for failure to live up to the Association's standards.
5. And no, in Canada, in the CFA is just as much a toady as the IFA with respect to bad apples.
Michael Webster PhD LLB
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Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"
There should be more from honorable people of conscience from the 'inside' of operations where the franchise can legitimatley be reported at BMM. Whether they are anonymous or not. It would help a lot. And detailed, reliable examples do help a lot.
People like you are relatively unique. That is a sad indictment of humanity given the insider knowledge of the bloody consequences of disasterous franchising.
I supported Sean's work then, and now. There have been some errors in judgment, in my opinion. But, Sean worked very hard to put together a group of people who could obtain redress without resort to litigation.
This was a noble goal and Sean is to be praised for trying the impossible.
Michael Webster PhD LLB
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Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"
If he is drunk and clacking 24/7, then he must be mixing Red Bull with the whiskey. Given the expense of that concotion, I would guess that he is reasonably solvent.
I doubt that he is bankrupt. I hear that he has significant liquidity.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
are more fun, but more expensive.--
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Sean is doing a great thing in this world. Exposing and allowing people to tell their true stories of being scammed by the scumb of the earth. Bad zors that prey on people who have worked all their lives only to be robbed. You would love people to not to be able tell their stories. Bad zors hate the internet.
What is your definition of successful men? Men who are wealthy because they have gone forth and developed phonzi schemes and hurt thousands of people? Am I jealous of men like Rick Schaden? Hardly. I am sure Sean isn't either. Your a shill for Cuppys. The most talked about scam on the internet next to Quiznos. (They might even be equal.)
Many successful people have gone bankrupt. You are a low life to even say that. Bad things happen to good people.
I have to say Don, Sean and Ryan are doing a great thing by allowing people to educate people of what is really going on in the world of franchising. They are all heros in my eyes. When the government actually acknowledges the evil going on in the franchising world they may all go down in history for being great men. Never in my life have I seen where people who have saved up all their lives can actually go to their computers click on the word Cuppys, Quiznos or Candy Bouquet and get information from the zees who have experienced hell. We are living in different times people. The bad zors better get it or they may spend some time in the cross bar hotel. You need to stop your legal organized crime activities. Oh yes defrauding people is not legal. If our leaders of our country cannot read on these internet sites and not do something about it then they shouldn't be in their position. I have talked to the department of securities here in the state of Washington. There are many complaints from zees. The word is getting out and the victims are not just taking it. The more educated peope get the harder it will get for you to scam people.
I would not say that I did any such thing. I wrote in some detail and would refer anyone to my postings, all of which are still on BMM and can be accessed using the search engine on BMM.
I do think that Mr. Kelly should have made disclosures as to matters which might be perceived as conflicts of interest. But that is quite different from saying that Mr. Kelly perpetrated a "con" and while I believe that his attacks on Mr. Purvin were unwarranted, I must say that with regard to Cuppy's that Mr. Kelly has been factually accurate, irrespective of what motivated his postings regarding Cuppy's.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
I also believe everything he ever said, no matter what, and no matter about who(m?).Regarding Bob Purvert, he vastly understated the man's lowlife opportunistic predelictions - telling people he is the franchisee's friend and bestowing encomia upon the worst sort of franchise flim flam. If anyone should be banned and shunned, it is Purvert.--
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Where's adult supervision when you need it?
As one who lives by the maxim that 5th-grade schoolyard jokes are still the best, I can appreciate the pervert joke. I'm sure that Mr. Purvin hasn't heard that one in 50 years or so.
Solomon and Purvin have fundamentally differing views of how to best curb franchisor opportunism. And both of them also need to pay the rent bill. That latter fact does not detract from their respective viewpoints, which I believe are held in good faith.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
This is a good question since he has accused Cuppy's owners, managers, employees and franchisee's of being everything from frauds to just plain stupid... If he received money from any source that was related to coffee this would seem to be wrong! Why would you let him try to destroy so many peoples lives if you knew he was getting money from his own coffee book, website that recommended coffee companies or directly from a competitor? I think that would be just plain wrong. By the way I could care less about the Morg, Dale or Bryan, they are probably greedy and took advantage of people. I just think we should have the facts and if Sean Kelly was getting paid or received money from any coffee resources while he was attacking theses people he should have to answer for that. I know he makes money from the lawyer services he sells on his site. What he says just does not add up.
Sean Kelly posted on BMM in January 2007 an interview he did with Kevin Brennan of Rockn' Joe Coffeehouse . He also posted it on his own Blog FranchisePick.
Rockn' Joe Coffeehouse is listed as a client on the FranCorp website. That is where they probably met.
I met Sean at the IFE in Washington and he didn't appreciate my "one hit wonder" comments to his interview, he said he did the interview as a favor. We have not acknowledged each other since.
I've been told by others that Sean carry's a grudge and never forgets. I think Dale Nabors of Cuppy's and Bob Purvin of the AAFD can attest to that.
Jim Coen
877-469-3002
Blog: Lets Talk Franchising
Executive Director of the New England Franchise Association
Director & Clerk, Dunkin Donuts Independent Franchise Owners (DDIFO) Board of Directors
Jim Coen
877-469-3002
Blog: Lets Talk Franchising
Executive Director of the New England Franchise Association
President, Dunkin Donuts Independent Franchise Owners (DDIFO, Inc.)
someone omitted to congratulate or praise us. We were raised/socialized to pay daily homage and we expect the same from others. Whether homage is deserved or not is another matter entirely. As they say in franchising, it's not the money. It's the principle of the thing - the unwritten law, almost as one might call upon after havingt shot his wife's lover for filling in for one's conjugal inadequacies.--
Sean can't help who he is any more than you or I. Although it may seem as outrageous to you as it does to me, some folks actually find egregious fault with me. Can you imagine?
And so, as we strive along each day, carrying our respective crosses, let us also strive to adopt attitudes of inebriated tolerance. The more one drinks, the better other people seem,
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Can you expand on what was said during the conference call?
I guess he mentioned the blogging. I'm sure he didn't have a problem with it when it was all positive,.
Shouldn't these steps have been done six months ago? What happens in a month, when he quits returning phone calls again?
The negative blogging is/was caused by the actions of management (prior and current). He could've stopped it a long time ago, without forcing people to sign a refund agreement with a 'gag clause'.
Can this guy take any blame himself?
Check this out:
How Beer Helps Make Things Look and Feel Better
Jim Coen
877-469-3002
Blog: Lets Talk Franchising
Executive Director of the New England Franchise Association
Director & Clerk, Dunkin Donuts Independent Franchise Owners (DDIFO) Board of Directors
Jim Coen
877-469-3002
Blog: Lets Talk Franchising
Executive Director of the New England Franchise Association
President, Dunkin Donuts Independent Franchise Owners (DDIFO, Inc.)
I know that girl--
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
In all seriousness though, discussion of the Irish and Sicilians is appropriate. Holding grudges tends to be counterproductive, and sometimes we are best advised to let history remain as history.
I would suggest that holding grudges did not benefit the Irish nor the Sicilians, and Mr. Kelly might want to let go.
As to Solomon, his ability to carry on an intelligent conversation after half a case of wine is one of the wonders of the franchise world.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
As one who strongly criticized Sean Kelly, I would say that his bias does not affect the truth or falsity of the factual assertions which he has made.
I myself feel that there has been fraud and stupidity in the course of this saga, and I have no pecuniary interest whatsoever in this matter.
Even if we are to completely discount Sean Kelly, enough information has come to light through the AAFD investigation conducted by Michael Webster that I would feel confident that a prima facie case for fraud can be made out against some of the participants.
As several folks have pointed out, collectability is another matter. And since the issue of group representation in litigation has been brought up, I would note that there are several distinct classes of putative plaintiffs whose interests may be adverse; therefore there may be several different law firms filing cases if there is sufficient monetary incentive (either fee or recovery-based).
In the end my gut is that a bankruptcy court judge will be sorting this out. Bear in mind that the last thing on earth which Morgan/Hayes/Manginello want is for Nabors to be running the companies when this goes to court. Nabors not only has access to the records, but he can waive attorney-client privilege since Nabors didn't simply buy the assets, he bought the companies.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Mr. Bluemaumau,
Did Sean Kelly work for another coffee company when he started blogging on his site and yours? Was Paul Steinberg just kidding when he said he felt that Sean should have told him that he was representing other coffee companies interests?
Thanks
I'm amazed Sean Kelly didn't have Cuppy's Coffee ads front and center on his sites, particularly his coffee site.
Does anyone doubt that the firm would have paid him big money?? How silly of Kelly to not take advantage of what could have easily been thrown his way in the heat of a crisis to get him to stop posting. If he didn't want the money, his wife and kids could have enjoyed a nice suntan in the Carribean sun.
What was Sean thinking?
modern franchising with all its scams and frauds - the triumph of pain over style.
The only thing that makes this daily agony - Quiznos and Cuppys - worth the space it gets is that for so little money everyone could have avoided this investment mistake.
Hopefully, if there is anyone else who can stand seeing this crap every day in here, they are learning the lesson that very smart people are not able to sort out the crooks before they are devoured.
That sorting out expertise is indispensible. Compared to what everyone has lost, top shelf investment due diligence would be cheap at 50 times the price.--
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
No. It is not. What a crock of postmodern relativist crap.
I take it that you are a product of our value-neutral public school system that has taught you that you are "special" and that there is no objective truth .
Well, I suspect that the US Attorney's Office will disagree. A lot of "depositor" money disappeared. A lot of disbursed bank funds were never used for the purpose intended.
Those people who had their "deposit" stolen and those people now forced to "repay" SBA loans which they never received will also disagree with you.
It is one thing to support Nabors' effort to salvage this disaster. But Morg??? He headed for the hills. Sean Kelly may have an obsessive streak, and on occasion a mean one to boot. But that doesn't change the truth.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
The only problem I had with Sean was the continued bashing of the AAFD in this situation, when the focus should've been some place else (ie the SBA funding, Funding Solutions, etc.).
If it wouldn't have been for the unethical treatment of the Java Jo'z depositors by Snowden/Morgan/Hibbing, I doubt many of us on here would've ever heard of Java Jo'z/Cuppy's. It's their fault that they became a target earlier this year, because people spoke out on websites. The company is/near bankrupt. Whose fault is that?
For some reason, I hope the above post was a joke, but like Rick said, I can't see the punch line.
false aspertions and ridiculous contentions.
No one can trash Cuppy's. Cuppy's is self trashing.
If I were Kelly's lawyer instead of his favorite saloon owner, I would bring you up by the short member(s) and make you write checks (and honor them too).
This is your last chance to apologise to po ole Sean before I gets riled!--
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Congrats on getting Brian out there to look at your site. Doesn't it seem strange to you that it took 2 1/2 years for an affiliated company of Cuppy's/Java Jo'z to make it to your location? Dale has only owned the company for the last six months, so where were Morg/Brian during those first 2 years.
It sounds like you are ready to turn over money to Morg/Brian. Have you thought about how much they are charging you? Considering SBT bills Elite $100/sq ft, and then Elite bills the franchisee like $150/sq ft, what makes you think using SBT is the wisest move.
I'm sorry, but take your $70k loss right now and don't open up. Cuppy's isn't going to be around in another 2 years, unless Morg is able to find more franchisees that are as naive as you. You obviously don't have the ability to open as an independent, otherwise you would've done it before now.
based on this post and others, I guess we see the type of mentality Morg goes for in his franchisees. I think Fuwa's signature tagline was made for the Cuppy's franchisees.
related entity, you just might also be stupid enough to buy a Smoothie franchise.--
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
is OK if the store is otherwise a working business model. Selling Smoothies in a store that is a Smoothie franchise is what I call "that stupid". The fact that smoothies can be purchased almost anywhere and folks don't have to go to a particular store in order to buy a Smoothie is one of the main factors why investing in a Smoothie franchise is so completely ridiculous. Think in terms of investing in a franchise relationship so you can sell Jiffy peanut butter, and the reasoning becomes clearer even more quickly. --
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
For several days, someone has been double-posting on BMM with the same message about Cuppys.
In any event, as I noted in response to this message as posted in another BMM thread, you should never send confidential legal information when you don't know who the recipient is.
You should never discuss confidential legal information other than with an attorney or as directed by an attorney. To do otherwise, however well-intentioned, may be to vitiate privilege.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Yes. We employees want our sainted leaders Roy Snowden, Morg Morgan, Doyle and others with such mellifluous voices back to the office. Dale has just ruined our party.
This is the funny quote of the day. LOL!
There's no foul play at work. Our spam bots pull comments into a queue for the moderator, me, to look at when certain postings look suspicious. Someone wrote a post that had multiple hyperlinks (5 or more), which looks mighty fishy to Blue MauMau's spam filters. Then when the writer didn't see their post, they published it another four times. To our hard-working spambots, that's even fishier.
Those duplicate comments were pulled into my moderator queue. It sometimes can take me a few hours to get to the comments in the queue to decide which ones a human posted and which ones are malicious ads.
Readers should know that right now we have a technical glitch. In the discussion block, some of the links to comments that aren't on the first page do not lead the reader to the comment. Those comments are still there though. It's just the link in the Discussions block is broken. For now I would suggest you find such comments with broken links by visually looking at all comments under the article you have been brought to.
We are correcting the problem.
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Cuppy's Coffee leaving Florida marks the end of an era. Collectibles, like the illegitimate Father of Cuppy's Roy Snowden's house on the intracoastal waterway. Yes, Roy pioneered the unreturned Java Jo'z deposit, and passed the torch to his protege Morgy.
It's for sale, you know, fountain, pool and 5 parking spaces included:
Roy Snowden's House
But act fast! He won't be in jail forever!
seankelly@ideafarm.net
IdeaFarm, Franchise Pick
Franchisor Marketing
But the wife is not in jail; in fact wasn't she working for Cuppy's?
Will she be homeless on the street?
We should take up a collection. The Schadens have that fund for the homeless, maybe they will kick in to help a fellow scamm... oops, I mean fellow franchisor.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
seankelly@ideafarm.net
IdeaFarm, Franchise Pick
Franchisor Marketing
This is the Snowden family house? I thought it was the IRS' house?
How was he able to keep a $2M house when he owed millions to the IRS?
Can the Java Jo'z depositers who paid for it get a memento? A doorknob? Paving stone?
Also... is it true that not only was Roy Snowden's wife still on the Cuppy's payroll until a couple of weeks ago, but Roy's EX-wife was working there too?
seankelly@ideafarm.net
IdeaFarm, Franchise Pick
Franchisor Marketing
"Muscle Shoals is centrally located" to what? The National Possum Stuffing Museum?
Does anyone have contact information for The National Possum Stuffing Museum?
Definitely sounds franchiseable. Send it quick before Borororian gets to them.
Possum Stuffing mall kiosks by Emerald Coast, Elite, SBT, Superior, Allied or Swamper Technologies... this can't fail.
See you on the veranda!
Millionaire Richard Quick, Esq.
Senior Partner, Quick, Duhk & Hyde
btw... what's AAFD charging for those pre-approved franchise agreements these days? Still free overnight shipping?
Millionaire Richard Quick, Esq.
Website: FranWorst.compossum. All us real folks in da south eats possum. We eats it fo bkfst, fo lunch, fo dinnuh, and sometimes we even eats it in bed at night.
Dat bed possum be's da very best.
Y'all likes to act like y'all sum kinda speshul peeples, but I knows y'all aint nuttin but shameful heathens dat wants peeples to think dat yo don eat possum like real folks do.
EAT MO POSSUM! GIT MO DATES!--
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Comment directed at no one in particular.
I really enjoy seeing all these derogatory comments directed at Southerners. The same people making these comments are probably the same ones who would get upset if I generalized about Jews, people of African descent, Latinos or gays.
FuwaFuwaUsagi
P.S. - I have eaten possum, raccoon, squirrel, rabbit, snakes, turtle, deer, cougar, gator, several insects etc.
FuwaFuwaUsagi
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers."
Southerners,... Jews, people of African descent, Latinos or gays.
Point well taken. Let's just keep it to those groups and I'm cool with it. Plus Canadians.
I have eaten possum, raccoon, squirrel, rabbit, snakes, turtle, deer, cougar, gator, several insects etc.
Me too. Then I stopped going to the Dunkin' Donuts in NY altogether.
While we're talking about slimy, slithering things, has it been discussed here that (allegedly) Morg Morgan paid franchisees $330 each to give positive references.
That's the word on the street .
If true, would that be in conformance with AAFD Fair Franchising guidelines?
seankelly@ideafarm.net
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No, he's a 'two-faced' computer genius who talks out of both sides of his mouth!! Sneaky, shady and cares about NOBODY. To hell with all the employees who've been with the Company(s) through thick-n-thin, or the ones with families, or the ones who up-rooted, sold their home & moved here. A change of scenery won't help your situation Dale. You have taken an office full of enthusiastic, loyal, fun-loving people - and eager to come to work, the arena full of energy - and your 'don't give a #@^%' attitude is now showing your true colors. I really hope you get what's coming to you, in court and out. You are not the man we thought you were. Definitely nothing compared to Brian Hayes. Remember this Dale Nabors:
'What Goes Around, Comes Around'
Dale can do what he sees fit with Cuppy's and if moving it to Alabama is part of his plan so be it. He bought this mess of a company and to start fresh in a new location with employees of his choosing is his right.
The Truth Shall Set You Free!
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The Truth Shall Set You Free!
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So far, most of us can't see any plan.
While it does make sense to stop new development to clear the backlog, it now appears that the Cuppys/Elite/SBT/Medina/etc entities have no money to do the build-outs. Moreover, there are credible allegations that the entities have taken money in advance from franchisees and that money is now gone with nothing to show for it.
There is such a tangled incestuous web that the corporate veil is about as revealing as a whore's fishnet stocking. So any plan to shield a "survivor" entity is unlikely to survive a legal challenge--that is, if the "depositor" zees ever could stop whining long enough to retain counsel.
If the plan is to strip assets into a virgin "survivor" this is not likely to work either, for the same (fraudulent conveyance) reasons that the Snowden/Morgan transfer didn't hold water. Indeed, for Nabors to strip assets at this point would positively invite criminal charges; and if the creditors ("depositors" or vendors) caught wind of such activity they could properly seek injunctive relief and force the entities into involuntary bankruptcy.
That the last course of action has not already been taken is tribute to the laziness of the franchisee "depositors" as well as the failure of the "depositors" to take a good look at reality and initiate collective action.
Nabors did not create this mess. For the sake of both the operating franchisees and the "depositor" franchisees, I really hoped that Nabors could pull a rabbit out of the hat. But with each passing day, that looks less likely.
The only reason this hasn't fallen apart is because the "depositor" zees either don't use Google and/or are crying on Sean Kelly's shoulder; an option which is cheaper than litigation but a tad less productive.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul:
Whores
Incest
Virgins
injunctive relief
stripping
collective action
fishnet stockings
My comment:
Yikes..Paul, now this I would expect from Solomon...methinks you need to get lucky : )
FuwaFuwaUsagi
FuwaFuwaUsagi
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers."
Fuwa, you are correct. I attribute the posting to the influence of spending way too much time with Solomon this past weekend.
But he certainly can host a dinner.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Plan? You're supposed to have a plan when you acquire a company? Does Dale know this?
Kidding aside I don't know anything about Dale's plan for Cuppy's, but if he wants to move this wreck of company he certainly can. Will the move help? Maybe if it is part of a broader "plan".
What does the Cuppy's AAFD chapter have to say?
Will Sean Kelly dress up like Mighty Mouse and save the day?
The Truth Shall Set You Free!
TIF
The Truth Shall Set You Free!
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