Cuppy's Coffee Announces Move to Alabama
Submitted by Don Sniegowski on Fri, 2008/08/01 - 23:13.
Cuppy's to move 360 miles to Muscle Shoals, AL.
FORT WALTON BEACH, Fla. (Blue MauMau) - Having acquired Florida-based Cuppy's Coffee at the end of April, Dale Nabors announced on Friday that the coffee chain's head office will move to Alabama on September 1.
In a letter to Cuppy's franchisees, the new CEO explains the reasons for the move of some 360 miles to the north. "Muscle Shoals is centrally located and it will serve to reduce operational costs," Nabors writes. He reiterates that the goals are to "open all unopened stores as quickly as possible" and to increase "retained earnings of all present and future franchisees."
Cuppy's to move 360 miles to Muscle Shoals, AL.
Dale Nabors...What a coward..
I remember back when Dale first came on as a consultant & mentioned he use to work for the Dwyer Group in Texas several years back. Some of the higher up managers at Medina were concerned about this new consultant coming on board & investigated/called Dwyer Group. Their comment was that they did remember Dale but that he NEVER AMOUNTED TO MUCH & WAS LET GO. That should have been a RED FLAG for Morg at the time. But I guess not. Dale has proven to be an absolute weasel & coward! He tells people such bull (this includes zees, s-employees, current employees, media) that I believe he truly believes his on crap! WHAT A JOKE THIS SO-CALLED MAN HAS PROVEN TO BE. I truly feel sorry for his family. WHEN A PERSON CAN NOT STAND UP AND ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE BITEN OFF MORE THAN THEY CAN CHEW & JUST LAY IT OUT FOR EVERYONE SO THEY CAN MAKE OTHER ARRANGEMENTS… PLUS THIS SAME PERSON CONTINUE TO TELL PEOPLE LIES SO THEY WILL SEND IN MORE MONEY… ALL I CAN SAY IS THIS PERSON IS THE BIGGEST COWARD I HAVE EVER KNOWN!!!! Even if Dale did this now, he has waited tooooooooooo long and most zees are bankrupt because of his delays and deceit. Again… What a coward!!!
Re: Dale Nabors...What a coward..
6 DAYS AND COUNTING
RED DAWN
MOVING TO ALABAMA
Moving to Alabama sure has not helped with the communication (ZERO). Dale told us we would be getting a call last friday in his phone conference that only HE was aloud to speak in. He told us that we will here from him within 7-10 days at the latest.
THIS IS DAY 5
Question? Why are only some franchisee's getting some kind of communication with Dale? Are they the ones that he thinks he can get more money from?
RED DAWN
sacraficial lambs
Dale is only moving forward with the projects he and brian hayes can collect more money from.If you don't have any money left then you will be sacraficed,hence the infamous "list"-
I received this list from a third party that apparently Dale e-mailed to an employee.The employee said Dale told him these projects were to be sacraficed for the good of the franchise-Larry Addleston,Rickey Benefield,John DeVine,Steve Ottjepka,Richard Reese,Claudia Robbins,Ron Spain,Nick Sayin,Michael Laws and Elinore Legaspi,Christy Shaw,Krista Noem.Does anyone know if any of these projects have been finished? Is Dale moving forward with any of these projects? Are these the first ones to be completed or are they really going to be “sacraficed”?Is anyone moving forward with their buildout through Cuppy’s and if so are the rest of us going to get done soon? Since I can’t get answers from Alabama can someone please tell me what the hell is going on!!!
$$$ Owed To You From Cuppy's Coffee
I can help you collect the money that is rightfully owed to you by Cuppy's Coffee!!!
Contact me at:
1-800-318-6494 ext# 236
RE: Lambs
Why would you still want to be a part of this corrupt company? Cut your losses and run fast. If and when you do open, there will be no internal support system. All corporate cares about is your deposit money and your continued contributions to Dale Nabors. You are better off opening as an independent, Cuppy's will not be around in another year. Good luck to all who have been lucky enough to open, all others run fast!
$$$ owed by Cuppy's Coffee
I can help you collect the money that is rightfully owed to you by Cuppy's Coffee!!!
Contact me at:
1-800-318-6494 ext# 236
Conference Call
Someone please give me some good news. Has anyone heard from Dale?
Cuppy's Muddledness
Guest: "Dale told us we would be getting a call last friday in his phone conference (sic) that only HE was aloud (sic) to speak in."
Guest: "He told us that we will here (sic) from him within 7-10 days"
Guest: "Why are only some franchisee's getting some kind of communication with Dale? Are they the ones that he thinks he can get more money from?"
Guest, do you mind giving us a better idea on who Dale communicated with and what he discussed? For all we know, the franchisees he spoke with are those whom bothered to dial into the conference call.
Please take time to think about and proof-read what you write.
Dismayed
I am dismayed by the aspersions being cast upon this fine franchisor. According to the IFA website , this company has been franchising since 2006 and has 225 units. And 2008 isn't even done yet!! In addition, according to the IFA website, this franchisor has received an award from the AAFD, which is still being trumpeted even as of today.
The IFA also states :
Since "satisfactory financial condition" is a prerequisite for IFA membership, these scurrilous libels being spread about the franchisor pilfering of deposit monies and not being able to pay them back are by definition untrue.
I also believe that Michael Webster owes this IFA member an apology. Many of you may recall that Mr. Webster has indicated that this company is not merely unethical, but it has violated franchise statutes. But such a company could not be an IFA member. Well, what do you say now Mr.Webster?
As the unified voice of franchising, the IFA finding that Cuppy's has a satisfactory financial condition and is obeying all laws is good enough for me.
Plus... the IFA requires the franchisor to adhere to a Code of Ethics (At least until the member goes to prison ).
So stop accusing this franchisor of unethical behavior.
I hope this will settle this debate once and for all.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul, oohhhhhhhhh… I got one!
If you take Dale Nabors brain out & put it on the edge of a razor blade, it would look like a pea rolling down a 4 lane highway. :)
Re: Dismayed
I love Paul's sarcasm!!!!! :-)
Defending minorities
I like IFA. Of all the players in franchising they are the one and only defender of the smallest sector in franchising; franchisors. IFA are totally committed to supporting those unfortunates in their stable who stray for it is those who would stray that offer the greatest financial support to IFA.
IFA's B.S. department works tirelessly to protect the reputation of members whose reputations have been tainted by "poor operators" who conned their way into previously reputable franchise systems. IFA influences governments to look the other way, academics to sign off on corrupted data and uninterested media to add colour where so much is so difficult to see.
Give credit where credit is due. IFA represents less than .01 of one percent of all the players in US franchising and yet they continue to get as much mention as the most wicked in their small stable.
I like the Australian version more though. The FCA have come out of the closet with way too much BS in response to a tsunami of loud, unappreciative franchisee peasants and now it appears FCA has no credibility any longer, anywhere. They have managed to totally marginalise their organization and their "partners" and everything you knew about them - now everyone accepts.
While they can still buy a desperate academic to join them in their embarrassment, the tide has turned where media and politicians are shunning these dirty little people. This is a beautiful thing and very satisfying. “Joy to the world ... etc ...”
As IFA were kind enough to get behind FCA in their Inquiry time of need it would be nice to see some of the stinking fallout wash over IFA.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Other Violations
The IFA's Code of Ethics have little or no force.
And as such, the IFA can never be a trade association because they have no demonstrated interest in protecting the brand of "franchising".
If the IFA wanted to be a real trade association concerned with maintaining the brand of "franchising" they would be giving away Bob Purvin's Franchise Fraud on their website.
The IFA may perform a valuable service for its members, but it is not the guardian of the reputational capital for franchise systems.
Has the IFA ever taken legal action to enforce its Code of Ethics?
Michael Webster PhD LLB
Franchise News
No trade association's code of ethics has any force or
effect. My God, man, is it really different in Canada?--
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Trade Associations
1. Modern day Trade associations are the pale descendants of the Guilds: formidable economic entities that used regulation to protect their trade secrets or what we would call "brands".
2. Guilds blew themselves up, partly with the help of Adam Smith, in England but remain a political force in Europe.
3. The particular concern for the IFA is that when you let in the Jim Amos types of the world, and he blows up too many franchise systems, the brand of "franchising" becomes totally tarnished. The crap that passes through minimal scrutiny and obtains the reputation by association with other serious franchise systems should worry the IFA - but it doesn't.
4. The AAFD is the only franchise trade association who will expel a member for failure to live up to the Association's standards.
5. And no, in Canada, in the CFA is just as much a toady as the IFA with respect to bad apples.
Michael Webster PhD LLB
Franchise News
Know who your doing business with!
The fact is that Dale, Morg and Brian are crooks and anyone that does business with them will be involved. Dale is a weak troll of a man who lies whenever possible. Morg and Brian are in need of money and don’t want to work for it so the scammers that they are, are on the hunt for an easy buck. Beware Zees and banks their like thieves in the night. Amy is lazy and agenda driven and will lie, cheat and steal her way there. Frankie, Robin and Jessica are hard workers but lack corporate experience i.e. they don’t bring much to the table. Whenever you go into business with someone make sure you know the people who’s running things. This may help.
Enough is enough...
(I posted this to Unhappy Franchisee just now and have a feeling that it'll get moderated right outa' there... AND it really needs to be said.)
It just is what it is. on Your comment is awaiting moderation. October 2nd, 2008 1:44 pm Listen up, SEAN KELLY, aka: ADMeaN
I, for one, have had it!!!!! That history you refer to shows that YOU started all this. In the real world, there are laws against what YOU do. This “blogosphere” is still pretty new, but eventually the ‘real-world-laws’ will start to take effect in here too. Your shenanigans are so clear: YOU trash Cuppy’s as part of your “representation” of “other” coffee companies and THAT is your simple-minded game …a dollar a click… Not only are YOU the very definition of shill, you are blatantly interfering with contractual relationships. You may be getting away with it now, but your time is a-coming’, Sean Kelly. You are gathering a lot of enemies.
It is more than obvious that you have no intention of ‘helping’ these franchisees. You are just using them to keep the gun pointed at Morg’s/Dale’s/Brian’s heads as you keep the muck stirred… muck that YOU have had a huge part in creating. It has become increasingly apparent to many of us that FAME is YOUR GAME. And you have a real talent for cruelty.
Now, I can’t be sure because I have never met you in person… BUT… rumor has it that you are a bankrupt drunk clacking away at computer keys 24/7 in a dark room somewhere in PA!! …a dollar a click…
One thing is for sure… You are trying to make a buck on the backs of honorable hard working people. To name a few: Dale Nabors, Morg Morgan, Brian Hayes and every single Cuppy’s Franchise Owner AND all their families as well. All these people have been blindsided and held captive by the blogosphere.
Question: Has anyone out there ever heard of praying for the strength / clarity / wellbeing / etc. of the leader to provide the tools and path toward success for the people. Just wondering… Pretty sure Sean Kelly can’t relate… so…
…back to you, Sean Kelly: About 3 months ago Paul Steinberg revealed the con you had been working on Bluemaumau and you were banished! Some of the other regulars, like Webster and JD said they didn’t like what you were doing either. So, now you mostly hang out here on Unhappy Franchisee (your site/your rules) to play by yourself since nobody else wants to play with you. Aren’t you getting it, Sean Kelly? Good people don’t like to associate themselves with a liar and con man like you. You continue to prove this about yourself, over and over on a blog by blog basis.
Even the title you came up with for this site, UN- happy franchisee, is further indication that you just want to play up all the negatives.
Of course you aren’t the type of person who would understand this but THERE IS ROOM ENOUGH IN BUSINESS FOR THE SUCCESS OF MANY. Integrity is not dead, despite being beaten repeatedly with Sean Kelly’s ugly stick.
Since you are who you are and this IS your site, it’s pretty fair to assume that you won’t actually post this, so I am posting it to every other site I can think of.
OK, it’s your turn, Sean Kelly. Let’s talk about you and your shady business practices. Your Cuppy’s Trashing started to become very apparent in January of 2007. Let’s see… When did you first start to work for Cuppy’s competition? When did you first start to experience your jealousy of the success of other men and how long have you had your alcohol problem? Is your bankruptcy the direct result of your alcohol problem? Did your mother lock you in a closet as a baby and make you really mad for the rest of your life? Come on Sean Kelly… this is an open forum… you have some big problems… start talking… maybe we can help.
Anyone else out there who has been negatively affected by the criminal antics of Sean Kelly?
Please feel free to email us at victimofviciousblogging@yahoo.com
~~~~~Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not be bent out of shape~~~~~
:", we know this is you....
Shut the hell up Dale Nabors, we know this is you, or one of your cronies you tell what to do......Quit trying to defend yourself and get ready for prison. Ready to "Toss The Salad?"
Enough is Enough
Why would this anonymous AND MALICIOUS guest jump all over Sean Kelly for telling the truth. All of the attorneys have congratulated Sean Kelly for telling the truth as disclosed by the facts of the Cuppy Episode.
What escapes me is why Dale Nabors bought these companies in the first place. He must have thought he could make money and didn't know the extent to which funds were being illegally converted or diverted, or what?
Sean and Cuppy's
I supported Sean's work then, and now. There have been some errors in judgment, in my opinion. But, Sean worked very hard to put together a group of people who could obtain redress without resort to litigation.
This was a noble goal and Sean is to be praised for trying the impossible.
Michael Webster PhD LLB
Franchise News
Perhaps Irish coffee?
If he is drunk and clacking 24/7, then he must be mixing Red Bull with the whiskey. Given the expense of that concotion, I would guess that he is reasonably solvent.
I doubt that he is bankrupt. I hear that he has significant liquidity.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Red Bull and Cialis
are more fun, but more expensive.--
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
who is bankrupt
Sean didnt take any franchisee money. Sean didnt take bank money belonging to franchisees.
Dale did. Morg did. Hayes did.
If Sean is bankrupt that is his problem. If Dale, Morgan, and Hayes are bankrupt that is OUR problem.
What a jerk
Sean is doing a great thing in this world. Exposing and allowing people to tell their true stories of being scammed by the scumb of the earth. Bad zors that prey on people who have worked all their lives only to be robbed. You would love people to not to be able tell their stories. Bad zors hate the internet.
What is your definition of successful men? Men who are wealthy because they have gone forth and developed phonzi schemes and hurt thousands of people? Am I jealous of men like Rick Schaden? Hardly. I am sure Sean isn't either. Your a shill for Cuppys. The most talked about scam on the internet next to Quiznos. (They might even be equal.)
Many successful people have gone bankrupt. You are a low life to even say that. Bad things happen to good people.
I have to say Don, Sean and Ryan are doing a great thing by allowing people to educate people of what is really going on in the world of franchising. They are all heros in my eyes. When the government actually acknowledges the evil going on in the franchising world they may all go down in history for being great men. Never in my life have I seen where people who have saved up all their lives can actually go to their computers click on the word Cuppys, Quiznos or Candy Bouquet and get information from the zees who have experienced hell. We are living in different times people. The bad zors better get it or they may spend some time in the cross bar hotel. You need to stop your legal organized crime activities. Oh yes defrauding people is not legal. If our leaders of our country cannot read on these internet sites and not do something about it then they shouldn't be in their position. I have talked to the department of securities here in the state of Washington. There are many complaints from zees. The word is getting out and the victims are not just taking it. The more educated peope get the harder it will get for you to scam people.
Re: What a jerk
What is your definition of successful men? Men who are wealthy because they have gone forth and developed phonzi schemes and hurt thousands of people? Am I jealous of men like Rick Schaden? Hardly. I am sure Sean isn't either. Your a shill for Cuppys. The most talked about scam on the internet next to Quiznos. (They might even be equal.)
lets not forget the ups store scam. it certainly ranks right up there with these.
I am sure there are many other zors
This comment has been moved here.
Re: enough is enough...
"It just is what it is… One thing is for sure… You are trying to make a buck on the backs of honorable hard working people. To name a few: Dale Nabors, Morg Morgan, Brian Hayes…”
HOLD ON! YOU CAN JUST STOP THERE. Honorable hard working people like Dale, Morg and Brian Hayes… Hard working - YES. They work very hard at taking innocent peoples money BUT honorable… Please I almost choked laughing so hard. They are the MOST DISHONEST PEOPLE I HAVE EVER MET!!!!!
Sean Kelly & BMM postings
I would not say that I did any such thing. I wrote in some detail and would refer anyone to my postings, all of which are still on BMM and can be accessed using the search engine on BMM.
I do think that Mr. Kelly should have made disclosures as to matters which might be perceived as conflicts of interest. But that is quite different from saying that Mr. Kelly perpetrated a "con" and while I believe that his attacks on Mr. Purvin were unwarranted, I must say that with regard to Cuppy's that Mr. Kelly has been factually accurate, irrespective of what motivated his postings regarding Cuppy's.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Re: Enough is enough...
Probably Brian or Dale, maybe Morg.
Sean Is a Welcome Member
"Sean Kelly ... Steinberg revealed the con you had been working on Bluemaumau and you were banished!"
That's not correct. Sean Kelly has never been banished from this site. He is welcome to post here anytime. Many of our members greatly appreciate his postings.
I for one have always appreciated whatever Sean posts
I also believe everything he ever said, no matter what, and no matter about who(m?).Regarding Bob Purvert, he vastly understated the man's lowlife opportunistic predelictions - telling people he is the franchisee's friend and bestowing encomia upon the worst sort of franchise flim flam. If anyone should be banned and shunned, it is Purvert.--
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Early Friday?
Where's adult supervision when you need it?
As one who lives by the maxim that 5th-grade schoolyard jokes are still the best, I can appreciate the pervert joke. I'm sure that Mr. Purvin hasn't heard that one in 50 years or so.
Solomon and Purvin have fundamentally differing views of how to best curb franchisor opportunism. And both of them also need to pay the rent bill. That latter fact does not detract from their respective viewpoints, which I believe are held in good faith.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Did Sean Kelly Work For Another Coffee Company?
This is a good question since he has accused Cuppy's owners, managers, employees and franchisee's of being everything from frauds to just plain stupid... If he received money from any source that was related to coffee this would seem to be wrong! Why would you let him try to destroy so many peoples lives if you knew he was getting money from his own coffee book, website that recommended coffee companies or directly from a competitor? I think that would be just plain wrong. By the way I could care less about the Morg, Dale or Bryan, they are probably greedy and took advantage of people. I just think we should have the facts and if Sean Kelly was getting paid or received money from any coffee resources while he was attacking theses people he should have to answer for that. I know he makes money from the lawyer services he sells on his site. What he says just does not add up.
Sean Kelly and Coffee
Sean Kelly posted on BMM in January 2007 an interview he did with Kevin Brennan of Rockn' Joe Coffeehouse . He also posted it on his own Blog FranchisePick.
Rockn' Joe Coffeehouse is listed as a client on the FranCorp website. That is where they probably met.
I met Sean at the IFE in Washington and he didn't appreciate my "one hit wonder" comments to his interview, he said he did the interview as a favor. We have not acknowledged each other since.
I've been told by others that Sean carry's a grudge and never forgets. I think Dale Nabors of Cuppy's and Bob Purvin of the AAFD can attest to that.
Jim Coen
877-469-3002
Blog: Lets Talk Franchising
Executive Director of the New England Franchise Association
Director & Clerk, Dunkin Donuts Independent Franchise Owners (DDIFO) Board of Directors
We Irish, like Sicilians, never forget an event in which
someone omitted to congratulate or praise us. We were raised/socialized to pay daily homage and we expect the same from others. Whether homage is deserved or not is another matter entirely. As they say in franchising, it's not the money. It's the principle of the thing - the unwritten law, almost as one might call upon after havingt shot his wife's lover for filling in for one's conjugal inadequacies.--
Sean can't help who he is any more than you or I. Although it may seem as outrageous to you as it does to me, some folks actually find egregious fault with me. Can you imagine?
And so, as we strive along each day, carrying our respective crosses, let us also strive to adopt attitudes of inebriated tolerance. The more one drinks, the better other people seem,
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Conference call...
Does anyone know how to get on the conference call today?
The conference call
The conference call with Dale Nabors is scheduled for 2:30pm CST. Please call in to 616-883-8055 using the access code 413-318-884. Please remember that if you cannot attend the conference call you may email a request to info@cuppys.com to receive a link to the recorded call. Please call in by 2:25pm so the conference call can begin promptly at 2:30. The call at 2:30 is specifically for unopened stores during or approaching the construction phase. Please only dial in on your specific call due the limited amount of space through your access code.
Cuppy's- let it go
Conference call with Dale Nabors- let's talk about pointless. He has had numerous calls with franchisees and it is the same thing everytime- the run around. He is full of empty promises and nothing has became better. It's not all about opening stores, it's about store sales, growth- the list goes on and on and this man obviously cannot accomplish ONE THING! This is one time I would say, "Do quit your day job".
curiouser and curiouser
since there was no opportunity for Q&A and you are reading the blogs Mr. Nabors:
1 - Some major SBA lending banks will not touch funding a Cuppy's in this market or any market given what has occurred with a number of franchisees (disbursed funds without completed buildouts) resulting in loan defaults and personal & professional bankruptcy
2 - Based on #1, there have been formal requests for refunds so those of us who have an opportunity to move forward on our own may do so. Are you going to respond to these requests?
3 - Why do you think any of us who now know we were ready to pay double for the buildout? I have no intention of putting my business at risk on Day 1 because I have paid double what I needed to get open. That means I have to sell double the product to achieve the financial results (and in a very difficult economic climate for any business)
4 - I really don't have a problem with Cuppy's Coffee. If there are people who want to continue down the path with you, good luck to you all. I simply want an opportunity to move on. I'm sorry if this does not meet with your request for us to stop the negative talk. I do not mean to be negative. All of the above are facts. If I have the opportunity to move on as an independent - I will not open another Cuppy's blog entry again. Ever. Period.
Re: Curiouser
Can you expand on what was said during the conference call?
I guess he mentioned the blogging. I'm sure he didn't have a problem with it when it was all positive,.
re: conf call
I think I heard that Dale said he is working with their banks and the franchisee banks to attempt to restore confidence in the brand. He requested a stoppage of negative blogging to give them some time to move past where we are today.
He hopes to announce that the SBT suit is resolved sometime next week. He intends to meet with each franchisee re: where they are in the process and what they need to get back on track to opening the store.
The Cuppy's corp office will be in touch early next week to begin scheduling calls.
And then a bunch of stuff about how we need to work together to make this the best specialty coffee brand in the US. I applaud his resolve. Good luck.
Re: re: conf call
Where have I heard this before...hmmm......
Yeah, sit by your phone and wait for the call. If you believe that, I have some mortgage loans I want to sell you.
re: re: conf call
Shouldn't these steps have been done six months ago? What happens in a month, when he quits returning phone calls again?
The negative blogging is/was caused by the actions of management (prior and current). He could've stopped it a long time ago, without forcing people to sign a refund agreement with a 'gag clause'.
Can this guy take any blame himself?
Conf Call...Stop the madness!
So, now Dale is working with Morg and Biran huh? They’re boarding the Alabama Dream Team. Wow who would have thought you would ever hear of that trio? I smell a rat!!!! A rat looking to score the cheese. That $27 million in SBA loans just keeps flashing before their greedy little eyes. Nevermind the lives that have been effected and destroyed over the situation thus far. Let’s take it a bit further, why not? What could be better than 3 con artists working together to get every penny they can out of this mess? These guys are a joke! First they take thousands of dollars from all the franchisees. Then they scam their now ex employees out of their last pay checks. Now their at it again to find some more money. They don’t care who they hurt or who they have already hurt. Over the past two months, do you think Dale has once reached out to anyone that he has screwed over since he took over this company? Not a peep.Heck he quit talking to the employees in Florida two weeks before closing time. Just like stinky trash. He has no feelings for anyone else in this mess. As long as he comes out on top. He is one of the biggest cowards I have ever met in my life. I regret that I ever believed in this man,as I am sure everyone else who may have believed feels right now. I do feel bad for all the franchisees and all the ex employees who were drug into this mess. Morg and Brian took this company to the edge and gave it a slight nudge and Dale took it crashing down. It’s one thing to fail, it’s another thing to be a failure and a coward. Dale put on quite a show for a lot of people for a long time……….We all see through you now Dale. You have paointed the picture very clearly We see all the ugly that you forgot to mention for the first year you were with the company. I feel sorry for all the employees who are still backing you up thinking that you won’t do the same thing to them that you have done to all of us fighting for our stores and all of those who you left in FL. You’re not a man at all just a coward. You woudl think someone would put an end to this mess already. I just keep wondering how long it will be before someone closes the doors and the game comes to an end. You will never be able to restore your character, you have shown us all your true colors.
Confident in Cuppys
"Dale said he is working with their banks and the
franchisee banks to attempt to restore confidence
in the brand"
Banks lose confidence when you steal loan money disbursed to you.
Bankers are judgmental that way.
Mean bankers. Mean.
No Confidence at all
It's funny how just a few months ago Dale was running around spreading the word about how devious and coniving that Brian and Dale were. He turned all his franchisees against them and even wanted all the zees to leak every ounce of information they knew about Brian and Morg. Now now, the shoe is on the other foot. Dale must have realized that the only way he is going to get any money from this is to scam the rest of the zees right along with Brian and Morg. What makes him think that anyone in their right mind would give the three of them any money. That would be the dumbest thing anyone could ever do. Dale wasn't concerend when it was others lives he was ruining. Now that he is close to ruining his own life............he is joining forces with the devil. Let the best man win.I once heard that Dale had stated there would be about 20 stores which would need to be sacraficed through this mess for the better of the company. I bet it's the 20 stores which are on HOLD right now. He sure isn't getting a damn dime from me. I will finish this project my damn self before I fall any deeper into this pile of CRAP. I don't need Dale and I sure as hell don't need Brian or Morg. Don't need any of the Alabama Dream Team either who must not be working at the moment. I guess Brian and Morg were waiting to board the gravy train once again. SORRY guys, you'll never get a taste of my gravy. I will complete this project on my own and I will make it successful on my own. The only thing the three of you have ever donw is lie cheat and steal. Once a liar, always a liar and once a cheater, always a cheater. Dale has proven that even those who want to be the "good guys" end up going bad!!! Best of luck to all you out there waiting to open your store. GO do it......you sure dont' need con artist to get that done.
Re: No Confidence at all
"Dale had stated there would be about 20 stores which would need to be sacraficed through this mess for the better of the company."
Dale has said he will always put the needs of the company before the needs of any individual. Those 20 stores represent more than $4M. I guess he decided he needs the money more than those individuals. I hope any franchisees that benefit from that decision are grateful. Maybe put a memorial plaque for the fallen 20 next to the coffee college plaque in their stores?
When ??
did Dale say he was going to sacrifice 20 stores? I missed have missed that. How did that get by me?
Sacraficing Stores means sacraficing lives
I will be damned if I am going to be treated like some pig in a luau. This is just sick. Doesn't anyone realize that sacrificing stores in this business means ruining families and sending people to see a bankruptcy lawyer. Oh I forgot who we were dealing with here. Apparently Dale doesn't care if anyone makes it or not as long as he gets to cash in on the $27 million waiting him at the finish line. It makes sense now why he would be talking to Brian and Morg again. He wants to take a trip to the darkside. Maybe he figures he is already a failure so why not do things the dirty way now. Well I know I am not falling for his BS lines anymore. I have heard from several people that I can go directly through the vendors to get my eqipment and hell I can find many contractors this day in age who would be begging for work. I bet I could get the job done a hell of a lot cheaper by someone else and probably a million times better. Who needs Cuppys. I am not going to let them take me for a fool again. I hope the rest of you don't either. It's time we set off and make ourselves successfull. Maybe if we believe in shutting Dale and his crew of crooks out then we can SUCCEED.