Loan Broker Cuts Ties with Cuppy's Coffee
PLYMOUTH, Mich. (BlueMauMau) - In an interview on August 28, Jerry Jones, co-owner and managing partner of Funding Solutions, said their situation with Cuppy's Coffee and More had changed since recently reading the articles and posted comments from distressed franchisees and other interested parties on Blue MauMau. The saga of Cuppy's has been unfolding on this site for over a year, following its chaotic path of mismanagement, new ownership and failure in helping desperate franchisees get stores built and opened for business.
Jones had explained Funding Solutions' situation saying, "Until recently, stores were being opened on a regular basis. Last month we heard about problems with construction contracts not being fulfilled. At that time we called two of our clients, and researched the postings on Blue Mau Mau." He said after awhile they had no reason not to believe that some of the comments were well-founded. "As with the franchisees and banks, we have not been able to get any responses from Cuppy's either, and when that happens it becomes impossible to try and resolve any problems," he said.
Yesterday, Funding Solutions reaffirmed their position and said they had now sent out a letter of resignation to Dale Nabors, Cuppy's new owner and CEO of almost five months. Shortly after, they sent another letter to their franchisee clients informing them of its action against the franchisor and offering recommendations. Funding Solutions provided Blue MauMau copies of the letters.
Dated September 3, 2008, the first correspondence to Dale Nabors stated, "Regretfully, we will no longer be able to assist with placing financing for prospective Cuppy's franchisees." Jones listed his reasons for ending the relationship:
- The lack of communications when desperately needed to support the transaction with existing borrowers and the banks.
- The concern that bank disbursements are not being used for the borrower's project. In other words, bank funded the project but the construction and equipment have not been delivered.
- Continual franchisee feedback of no communication to their request for needs.
- Participating banks are no longer willing to fund the Cuppy's franchise.
In closing, Jones wrote, "We will be offering our existing Cuppy's applicants any assistance they request; however, the lenders have made it clear they can no longer fund Cuppy's projects. Jones said he sent copies of the letter to all the banks involved.
The second letter to the Funding Solutions franchisee applicants who had bank commitments and needed to find replacement financing was sent out, dated September 8. The letter is as follows:
"You may have received a letter recently from your bank indicating concern with the recent adverse conditions (material changes) with Cuppy’s Franchising, Elite Manufacturing and Medina Management. This has nothing to do with you, but rather a bank decision relating to Cuppy’s that has occurred over the last month.
At this time, we don’t have a complete understanding of the status of Cuppy’s. We recommend you contact Cuppy’s and the bank to determine a status for your project/loan.
Several franchisees have asked if Funding Solutions is affiliated with Cuppy’s. The answer is “no”. Funding Solutions is an independent business devoting virtually 100% of its time to the franchise industry. We currently work on a regular basis with franchise applicants for approximately 10 systems. We are contractually obligated directly to you and have no affiliation with any system.
Please call or email with any questions. Funding Solutions remains ready to assist you with the restructuring of your loan, if needed."
Funding Solutions Responds to Blue MauMau Postings
In an attempt to put to rest some of the bedlam on Blue MauMau with comments posted by readers, Jones explained his company's structure. He wants people to know that Funding Solutions works closely with all three participants in a SBA loan transaction—the franchisor, the franchisee and the bank or lender—but in the end their client is the franchisee. Jones said they knew the banks were trying to put together some answers to the existing problems with Cuppy's in getting construction projects completed for franchisees, but Funding Solutions never got clarification. "In order to get clarification, we had to tell the franchisees to please contact the bank and Cuppy's. Finally it got to the point where we just couldn't service anybody the way we should and couldn't get anything accomplished," he said.
What is important for people to know, according to Jones, is that lenders disburse according to contracts, so even if Cuppy's and its entities have all these loans available, approved and/or closed, Nabors hasn't received funds for a lot of things currently out there. He states, “Most banks disburse on a percentage of completion, or according to a draw agreement. It is not as clear and simple as saying that Dale has X number of loans that have closed, so he has X number of dollars. From their point of view, it is the disbursement of project funds. Disbursement happens normally when construction companies and vendors submit invoices.”
"Virtually, none of these loans have been advanced if the construction has not been completed," he explained. But he said it is up to the banks how they handle it. "We think some banks, in particular, did fund the entire construction amount."
But Jones also wanted to clarify that Funding Solutions has no control over what and how the banks disburse to vendors. "We are not in the middle of those transactions," he said. "When the loan closes we're basically done with that. We don't deal with any of the disbursements." He said, "A big part of the problems going on, as we see it, is that Cuppy's, Elite and SBT were disbursed funds that weren't applied to the projects that they were disbursed for."
Funding Solutions does feel that it was a good move on Nabors’ part in moving from one contractor to another, explained Jones. “Nabors was in the process of changing over to a national contractor that had a good, strong reputation that was willing to complete the projects. They thought the banks would then be on board with that change.”
Jones continued, "There is no comparison between it and SBT. It's like night and day. It appeared to be a good management decision Nabors made on behalf of franchisees, himself and everybody else."
Funding Solutions Defends Its Good Reputation
Jerry Jones and son Randy, also co-partner and owner, adamantly defend Funding Solutions, saying it has a good reputation and they have never had the kind of accusations posted in the reader comment areas and forums on Blue MauMau. "People stating that we are hiding documents is very disturbing, we have never covered up anything. We would invite anyone to come to our office and look," Jerry Jones offered.
Jones Sr. said their main goal is to get people in business. "We work on their behalf and to a fault we probably work too hard on their behalf. I think anybody who works with us would probably make that same statement, that we have done everything to help them."
Jones feels that what is happening in franchising is symptomatic of what was going on with the housing market. He explains, "The banking industry at times was a little bit too aggressive in making loans and when times got bad they were finding out that some loans were too aggressive." He said their underwriting standards have changed dramatically in the last nine months.
He concluded by saying, "If the banks had been more conservative in the past we probably would not be seeing the problems we are having today."
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Related reading:
Official Response from Funding Solutions, LLC Regarding Cuppy's












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Any new news....
What ever happened to the lawsuit between STB and Elite? Ya'll haven't said much about it lately...just wondering.
For all the zees out there waitin' for their trade dress buildouts, has Eden Ent ever completed a job? or have they TOO pulled out? What about the dual drive ups, kiosks, carts?
Its funny how the only news about Cuppy's situation IS thru the blogs....
Cuppys
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new news...
As far as I know Eden did complete a buildout in DC. They stopped efforts on a number of other locations b/c of issues getting answers from Cuppy's and Elite AND they also were not getting paid. They have offered to help the franchisees complete their buildouts. The issue now i believe is funding for those franchisees whose banks won't touch funding a Cuppy's franchise. It is very interesting that the only updates we hear are via this channel. I know Dale and his skeleton team are probably very busy attempting to keep the ship afloat....
Wash, DC???
Are you sure it wasn't a VA. store? There were no zees in DC.
Re: new news...
Who paid Eden for the buildout?
DC store...
could have been VA in DC area. Our Eden Proj Mgr referred to it as DC. As for who paid?? that is the 64k question. I think Eden was having trouble getting not only answers from Cuppy's/Elite but $$ as well. Surprise....
Re: DC store...
Could have also been in MD. But I find it odd that Eden completed a store so quickly when it is rumored they were dragging their feet at the sites, probably not doing much work until the check from Elite cleared.
Re: Re: DC store...
Eden was sent to these locations prematurely by Dale. He said the projects were ready. The guys stayed there to help the franchisee get the white box ready but pulled out after weeks of Dale promising to pay. Eden never got paid a dime by Dale. They are proceeding with a few of the franchisees who have decided to move foward with or without Cuppy's.
RE:RE:RE: DC store
It sounds like you have inside information. Is Eden one of Cuppy's old contractors? I can't not think of the old one. It was before Elite. Started with a M. Is Eden that company?
Re: RE:RE:RE: DC store
Eden is new. They were brought on by Dale when Elite had trouble performing. They are confident some of these stores will be built. They seem to know what they are doing.
Re: Re: RE:RE:RE: DC store
I believe the name of the previous construction company was MCSI. I cannot confirm whether or not Eden is a new improved version of that company but as Java Joz and Cuppy's taught us metamorphosis can be a very powerful, lucrative thing! See unhappyfranchisee.com for a post in regards to MCSI. It is titled "Mary Patrick: Construction Nightmare 1 (MCSI 3 Months)".
In addition, you may want to visit the cuppyscoffee.com website. They have a "Locations" button that you can choose. Right next to DC is a Cuppy's coming soon to Bel Air, MD.
Re: Re: Re: RE:RE:RE: DC store
I checked out Eden. www.edenent.com They built nearly 80 Seattle's Best Coffee Shops and several Starbucks. They must be doing something right.
MD stores
that are going to be built are nowhere near DC
Re: MD stores
One was supposed to be built in Gainesville, VA.
Re: Re: MD stores
That might be considered DC, but unfortunately it was not built out. So we are still left to wonder, did Eden build out a Cuppy's (my guess is no) and were they paid for it? If they built out a store, and Cuppy's didn't pay, Cuppy's created yet another mess for a franchisee.
Re: Re: Re: MD stores
I have talked to Eden. They have not built out any of the stores. Dale owes them $30K for mobilizing to the 5 stores that they ended up pulling out off of. There are at least three other franchisees moving forward with or wothout Cuppy's. They plan to start construction with the next 3 weeks. Also, Eden working closely with others to help them get built out with or without Cuppy's. They are also owed another $55K in design fees for 20 stores. So far they jave not received any money from anyone. They hope to build some fo these stores so they can at least recoup these expenses.
Not Shocking at all
No one wants to have any type of relationship with Cuppy's Coffee. They scam but I have to say it starting dramatically going down after Dale took ownership. At least Morg would try to call people and visit them with his busy schedule. Dale is just a midget that likes to take other people's money and use them.
Sheep get fleeced repeatedly
Most of the money went missing under Morgan.
Of course Morgan was a master schmoozer, he had to be. That personal touch resulted in everyone getting the warm-and-fuzzies and not running to the cops and the courthouse when their "deposit" money was not returned. It resulted in banks and loan brokers cheerfully granting new loans and cheerfully disbursing money when there were already complaints about missing SBA loan monies.
Morgan was very very good at what he did, which was to take a lot of money and leave a trail of unpaid "depositors" and unfinished build-outs. The post by "Guest" and others which have previously appeared on BMM attest to Morgan's skill.
Even today, the very people who lost their money to Morgan love him dearly. I have no doubt that if Morgan set up another franchise, these people would run to the bank and beg to have Morgan take their money again.
It reminds me of the Canadian/Irish lottery scams where the best list of suckers is actually the people who have already been fleeced.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Confidence retained so as to Play a Mark again
Paul,
I understand that in Big Cons, over 50% of marks are good for a 2nd play. The fool's confidence is established by the roper (outside sales agent) and then transfered to insideman (franchisor).
It's true: You can't beat (con) an honest man, but you sure can play a franchisee who wants to cut corners to the American Dream via small business ownership.
Marks are always suspicious but of the wrong things.
You are absolutely correct about the high degree of skill involved. These are real pros that are constantly refining their play.
Les Stewart MBA
Understanding Franchising
Funding Solutions puzzle
Nobody said that Cuppys/Elite/SBT had obtained all of the monies. Indeed, the whole point is that Nabors bought the companies (especially Elite) because there was a pool of money not yet disbursed. And SBT wanted to make sure it stayed onboard the gravy train, which is why "Exhibit D" makes sense if SBT was in fact secretly tied to Elite/Cuppy's management.
In a word: "Fraud"
Many people don't believe that Funding Solutions LLC could have been blind to what was going on.
After all, Cuppy's was born from a huge scandal (complete with multiple threats of defamation lawsuits from Cuppy's outside counsel Dozier and Nixon Peabody ) and attempts to bully people into taking down blog postings.
Significantly, way back then there were allegations of financial malfeasance insofar as monies which were supposedly "refundable" were in fact missing when the refunds were demanded.This pattern continued after Emerald was replaced by Elite: same story, this time with Cuppy's/Elite rather than JavaJoz/Emerald.
At first glance, it would be rational to assume that Funding Solutions LLC knew who they were dealing with at the outset--not to mention after getting 90 approved loans for this particular franchisor.
But... people can be foolish and blind to reality; perhaps Jones borrowed the rose-colored glasses from Bob Purvin.
The question then becomes whether any of the borrowers notified Funding Solutions or the bank as to the progress (or lack thereof) on the construction.
In my experience, franchisee-borrowers call their loan broker with every problem/question under the sun. As Solomon might say, the borrower knows the color of the broker's wife's panties.
However, the Cuppy's franchisees appear to have been a singularly naive/gullible bunch. I have not heard from any Cuppy's borrower who says that they informed either their bank or Funding Solutions LLC as to the potential fraud.
This is a huge puzzle to me:
Why would you get a six-figure loan (collateralized with your house, no less!) and when the money disappears and you are left making loan repayments and paying rent on an empty "white box" there is not even one single certified letter? Not one single complaint to a District Attorney? Not one single call to the SBA Inspector General?
As Richard Solomon notes in his column , it is very difficult to attach liability to a loan broker under the best of circumstances. Given the inexplicable passivity of Cuppy's franchise purchasers, it would not be beyond the realm of possibility that none of them ever bothered to pick up the phone and call Jones.
It would be stupidly passive, but in keeping with the Cuppy's franchisee personality type. Bear in mind that until the AAFD investigation, none of the banks apparently knew what was going on.
So...
does anyone have any evidence that Jones / Funding Solutions LLC knew that there was possible fraud? Does anyone have any evidence that any of the funding banks knew that there was possible fraud?
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Re: Funding Solutions puzzle
"And SBT wanted to make sure it stayed onboard the gravy train, which is why "Exhibit D" makes sense if SBT was in fact secretly tied to Elite/Cuppy's management."
When Morg was still in charge of Medina, I remember hearing a conversation in which an upper level manager was discussing how Doug Hibbing, President of Cuppy's, had ownership in SBT. In fact, there were actually five people, each having 20 % ownership in SBT: John rodesiler, Brian Hayes (President of Elite), Brian's brother John Hayes, Doug Hibbing (President of Cuppy's), and I can not recall the 5th person.
Is this old news or could this be some of the secret ties to upper management?
SBT / Hayes self-immolation
When SBT filed their lawsuit , that foolish act set in motion the acts which have led Cuppy's to the current position.
We have discussed previously on BMM the oddities of "Exhibit D" (to view, click here and go to page 6 of 15) and the only scenario that made sense is that Morg and/or Morg's key people had their fingers in the SBT pie (either directly or indirectly).
What I still don't understand is Dale Nabors' shock at finding out about the secret ownership. I mean-- didn't he find Exhibit D to be strange?
From what is being posted, I would think that Mr. Hayes is likely already speaking with an attorney familiar with federal white collar practice. If Hayes has an ounce of brains and a photocopy machine, he may have some interesting documents to trade for a deal. That should make his former friends very nervous.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Funding Solutions knowledge
Mr. Steinberg,
I have a copy of an email dated 5/4/07 showing that Funding Solutions AND Commerce Bank in N.J. both had knowledge of payment problems with Cuppy's. This was concerning my shop which is now closed. I would be happy to fax it to your attention on Monday. I will contact you at the number posted in your post Monday morning.
Funding Solutions Knowledge
Did your store ever open?
Funding Solutions Knowledge
"Did your store ever open?".........
Yes. 10 months AFTER my loan approval and lease signing. Try paying rent and loan payment for that long while waiting for white box build out!! Doomed from the start.
90 years in federal prison
Several persons have made serious allegations which do appear to have independent evidentiary support.
If X uses the mail system or telephone or bank wire, and uses same across state lines, and thereby defrauds a financial institution, X can be liable for up to 30 years in prison on each count.
Each use of the wires constitutes a separate crime [U.S. v. Garlick, C.A.9 (Mont.) 2001, 240 F.3d 789]. So if X makes a telephone call to confederate Y and then Y sends a fax to the bank with an equipment list of items to be purchased and then the bank wires $139,000...
Well, that is up to 90 years in federal prison.
For that reason, I would assume that someone as smart as Dale Nabors would not use federally-guaranteed monies for any purpose other than the purpose for which those funds were disbursed. Morg Morgan may not have been so cautious, but I am sure that those who allege that Dale Nabors misappropriated funds are not correct. Similarly, I am sure that anyone who alleges that Funding Solutions LLC is involved in any malfeasance is likewise in error. Those are not folks who would risk such penalties.
This is serious stuff. For those interested, read 18 USC 1343 and 18 USC 1961 .
For those who may be indicted... get a good criminal lawyer.
As to people who allege that their lending institution and/or loan broker was made aware of fraud and did not attempt to rescind the wire transfer: I would likewise suggest immediate consultation with an attorney familiar with that area of the law. I thought it was in Reg Z, but I just scanned Reg Z and Reg CC and don't see anything.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul wrote...
"...I would assume that someone as smart as Dale Nabors would not use federally-guaranteed monies for any purpose other than the purpose for which those funds were disbursed. Morg Morgan may not have been so cautious, but I am sure that those who allege that Dale Nabors misappropriated funds are not correct." Paul, I respect you very much but unfortunately your assumption is incorrect. Dale did indeed take funds for specific purpose and still DID NOT send zee their items. Same old story... "Borrowing from Peter to pay Paul!"
Re: Paul wrote...
I think the comment on Dale's intellect and behavior is another fine example of Paul's sense of humor.
CUPPYS DOWNFALL
Have you watched the sons of anarchy? I was raised in a far worse situation than that TV show. My family has been torn apart from Morg,Brian, and maybe Dale. I have taken all that I can take. The time has come I have made the calls. God save their children. You Brian , Morg , DALE have called out everything bad in me. I thought that I had put away for life. Good luck to you. YOU WILL NEVER SLEEP EASY.
Paul not paid, blame Webster
Hey, Dale didn't even spring for beer at the AAFD.
I know Paul, and let me tell you--Paul got bupkus.
As to Commerce Bank: don't pay them back. They can afford the loss, they got bought by Michael Webster's friends . So any screwups by Commerce Bank can be blamed on Webster.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Webster's Friends
Oops, guilty as charged.
But, you should know the President of TD, Ed Clark, was known as "Red Ed" during the 1970's because as an advisor to our PM, Pierre Trudeau, Clark advised on the bill which essentially tried to nationalize Alberta's oil industry.
Michael Webster PhD LLB
Franchise News
Paul... you are too funny.
;)
Funding Solutions puzzle
We did already. We had notified the government agency as well. This is absolutely FRAUD - FEDERAL FELONY. The people behind this fraud will go to jail. All other franchisees out there who paid hundreds of thousands of $ to Dale Nabors and received nothing... do your homework as what Paul Steinberg mentioned. The monies Dale Nabors took from us are hard-earned money! We are paying lease, sba loan, Dale Nabors got our $200,000, and us without equipment.
Timing?
The question is when Funding Solutions LLC was first aware of any misappropriation of federally-guaranteed monies.
Funding Solutions claims that they found out about the problem by reading BMM. Now if that is true, then they may be incompetent but that is quite different from being an accessory to a federal crime.
I am a bit more reticent to accuse Funding Solutions than others, because I have yet to see any evidence that they had actual knowledge of misappropriation. Now what they should have known is another matter, and what they may have turned a blind eye to is another matter.
So the question specifically is: When was the first time that someone called either one of the banks and/or Funding Solutions LLC and stated that their loan was disbursed and there was no work performed?
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Funding Solutions
Funding Solutions claims: "The concern that bank disbursements are not being used for the borrower's project. In other words, bank funded the project but the construction and equipment have not been delivered."
Uh, this would be the fraud that has been referred to over and over again
Michael Webster PhD LLB
Franchise News
Question for the lawyers
I think most people around here believe that it won't be too long before they hear of a bankruptcy filing from Cuppy's.
If that does happen, and funds were obtained by Cuppy's/SBT/Elite/etc, via fraud, can those debts be discharged via bankruptcy?
11 U.S.C. 523(a)(2)
The section of the Bankruptcy Code can be read by clicking here .
But remember that as Richard Solomon points out in his related article , the franchisee-borrowers have signed paperwork which may have false statements.
So this can also be a problem for franchisee-borrowers who try and discharge their bank loans in Chapter 7.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Bankruptcy and Cuppy's store closed...
Cuppy's new website shows Navarre, FL as "OPEN". They have been closed since end of August and the owner (VP of Marketing of Medina) is filing bankruptcy. Morg/Dale hasn't helped one of their own employees who was a zee... what makes anyone think Dale will help them get their store open?!
VP of Marketing
The "VP of Marketing of Medina" resigned months before her store closed.
Re: VP of Marketing
she didnt resign she quit because her husband got orders to a different base. funny thing about her store closing, is that when she first found out she was moving, she put the store up on the market, and offered it to me for 350,000. I asked to see the books and i got some sort of funny looking quickbooks spreadsheet page (1 page only), it showed $10,000 in profit after expenses doing $400 in sales per day. I thought it was cooked because i use quickbooks everyday, and I have never saw a quickbooks report that looked the way it did. It doesnt surprise me one bit that they cooked the #'s to try and make me buy the store. It wasnt the first time cuppy's lied to be about locations. It doesnt surprise me that the store is now closed. BTW, the corporate store in shalimar is now closed, and that store was doing only $120 per day in sales.
Actually
she walkedout and told one of the people in the ofice she was quitting. he didn't give notice and didn't let management even know that she was leaving. Theresa did the same thing and then sent a resignatin letter after she had already left.
Quit vs resign
"she didnt resign she quit"
OK. I admit I'm a dummy. You've stumped me. What's the difference?
bankruptcy
I'm no bankruptcy lawyer, but I've always understood misrepresentation to be an exception to discharge.
Different angle on BR filing
I would think so too. But collection is still a problem, and putative creditors might consider a different angle:
If Elite/Cuppys is getting SBA loan monies and spending it on other purposes, my thought would be to push to protect any remaining assets with a view to pushing for an involuntary bankruptcy .
I do realize that an involuntary filing is easier said than done, but with each day that passes it will be more difficult to recover the spent money. And since it appears that hundreds of thousands of dollars were disbursed FBO franchisees who never got anything of value and are now on the hook to repay SBA loans, it would be in the best interest of those parties to avoid the expenditures which Cuppy's has been making using any "misapplied" SBA money as preferential transfers (look-back period as little as 90 days) or fraudulent transfers (up to 2 years) .
The time window is short and each day that passes means less money to recover.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
bankruptcy
Fraud is not discharged in a bankruptcy filing. On the other side of the coin good luck proving fraud. Next to impossible, with stores being opened and operating.
Fraud discharge
Theoretically fraud is not dischargeable. But there is an abrasive interface between the policy behind the bannkruptcy law and the no discharge of fraud claims issues. The result of that inherent conflict is that if all you have is a misrepresentation case, forgetaboutit. If you can prove a hard core case of fraud, you have a chance.
If you prevent discharge of your fraud claim, the future plans of the debtor get screwed up, and you can then make some progress on your "issues" in exchange for releasing your fraud claim.
I have only tried one such case. I prevailed, and the threat of my going after the franchisee's new business was enough to get me paid.--
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Re: bankruptcy
zor1 - please do a google search on ponzi scheme and come back to revise your comment.
I don't need to google
I don't need to google "ponzi scheme" I know exactly what it is. I will not revise my comment because I am talking from experience. Look I am not defending cuppys. I dont know anyone at corporate or any of the zee's. What I do know is "franchising". Mark my words no one will get anything. The company will eventually go into bankruptcy as well as it officers and it's all over. THE END. You heard it hear first.
hear?
Good one zor1
If that was a pun that is.
hear / here???? :)
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