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Judge Determines Quiznos Terminations Are a Charade

Quiznos franchise owners, Ellen Blickman & Richard Piotrowski

"…I find, that this whole charade of 'terminating' and 'defaulting' franchisees who failed the field test was just that—a charade—not driven by Quiznos' genuine concern about whether its franchisees were making sandwiches to spec, but rather by its overriding public relations desire to be able to proceed with its national advertising campaign targeting Subway." — District Court Judge Morris B. Hoffman decision on Quiznos Franchising v. Zig Zag Restaurant Group

DENVER (Blue MauMau) – In the last hours of 2008 federal judge Morris Hoffman issued a ruling that said Quiznos seemed more concerned with their competitor Subway than their own franchisees' welfare, trying to shut them down over a bogus meat test that masked the real reason of pettiness.

At the end of a five-day trial which began on December 8, District Court Judge Morris B. Hoffman stated that he would not be able to rule from the bench because the lawsuit was too complicated. He told the parties that he would issue his decision before the end of the year.

Yesterday, Judge Hoffman made his ruling on the lawsuit by Quiznos filed against two terminated franchisees for being slightly under the required five-ounce portion of meat on one of its tested Philly cheese steak sandwiches. In his decision he said all Quiznos' claims against franchisees Rich Piotrowski and Ellen Blickman, husband and wife, are dismissed with prejudice in favor of the franchise owners in the amount of $349,797 plus fees, costs and post-judgment interest at the contract rate of 24% per annum.  The franchisees' counterclaim for rescission of one of two of their franchise agreements was also dismissed with prejudice.

Court order, pdf
Just prior to midnight, Piotrowski emailed a group of franchisees, elated over the decision. He exclaimed that the reality of the judge's ruling is that it is more of a moral victory than a monetary one. "What you do need to know is the last two plus years have been hell. What Quiznos did to us was as unconscionable as anything they could have done. Quiznos tried to shut us down, based on a bogus test that they claimed we failed. When we stood up to them, they set out to destroy us strictly because they can. If you read the Judge's ruling you can see that."

More Than 7% of Quiznos Franchisees Sent Termination Notices

The franchisees entered two franchise agreements with Quiznos in April 2006, but ended up only operating one restaurant in Pennsylvania. The first agreement had originally been put on hold after their selected site at a mall fell through when the mall failed to open. At that time, Quiznos agreed to extend the 12-month period required to open their store after signing their contract. The second store, purchased from an existing franchisee, was only operated under their ownership for eight months, at which time Quiznos allegedly determined that they intentionally under-portioned the meat of one sandwich tested by a mystery shopper. The sandwich had less than the required five ounces of meat, which undermined Quiznos' aggressive ad campaign claiming its prime rib philly cheese steak sandwich had more than twice the meat of a comparable Subway sandwich. 

The judge pointed out that Quiznos' then general counsel, Michael Daigle, testified that they had no interest in terminating any franchisees without giving them an opportunity to get back into compliance. But despite his inconsistent protocol, 300 franchisees were sent notices of termination, more than 7 percent of U.S. operators. According to the judge's decision, Piotrowski and Blickman were the only ones who were not given a chance to have their termination rescinded if they passed a third-party inspection after they responded to Quiznos' demands.

Judge Hoffman stated, "It is clear to me, and I find, that this whole charade of "terminating" and "defaulting" franchisees who failed the field test was just that--a charade--not driven by Quiznos' genuine concern about whether its franchisees were making sandwiches to spec, but rather by its overriding public relations desire to be able to proceed with its national advertising campaign targeting Subway." 

But he further states, "This explains the sort of non-termination termination process Mr. Daigle came up with.

What he did not count on was that franchisees like Defendants might actually take the notice of termination at face value." When Daigle had testified that he "was done with Mr. Piotrowski," the judge asked him to explain that. But he continued saying, "Mr. Daigle got mad at Defendants because Mr. Piotrowski threatened to call a news conference, and Mr. Daigle decided at that instant that he would not afford Defendants the same opportunity he had afforded every other of the roughly 300 franchisees who were terminated."

Franchisees in ‘Shadow Land of Being or Not Being a Franchise

Although Quiznos had invited Piotrowski and Blickman to "mitigate damages" by remaining open despite their termination, the judge expressed that they began what ended up being a 14-month period of operating their stores in a “Kafkaesque kind of shadow land between approved Quiznos franchisee and terminated franchisees." Although Quiznos allowed them to buy food from authorized suppliers and to use its trademarks and service marks, it cut them off from Quiznos' Help Line and from other sources of official information. He said, "Quiznos even went so far as to physically bar Defendants from a regular marketing meeting they attempted to attend after the purported termination."

But he said the strangest element of this shadow existence was that Quiznos stopped taking its royalties and advertising fees. "This failure to collect royalties and fees is a symptom of how profoundly confused Quiznos’ legal department was about the nature of this shadow period," Judge Hoffman explained.

Out of the Shadows

Even after closing the store under the Quiznos name, the franchisees still didn’t give up. They remodeled, removed all Quiznos material, and reopened the store in May 2008 as the American Sub Sandwich Shop, selling sandwiches of their own design and buying food and paper products from their own independent suppliers. Judge Hoffman states, "Defendants operated this store until August 2008, at which time they chose to close it, in no small part because of the increasing demands of this litigation. Zig Zag remains liable on the lease. And of course Zig Zag and Defendants remain liable on the SBA loan." He said that he does not believe the franchisees must prove they closed their new operation because of Quiznos because at that point Quiznos was officially out of the picture, shadow and all.  He said, "The question, again, becomes mitigation, and as with their operation of the Quiznos store in the shadow period, I find that Defendants acted reasonably in attempting to mitigate their damages by operating a non-Quiznos sub shop in that same location."

Pointing Fingers at Franchisees' Disparaging Internet Postings About Quiznos Is Just Smoke, It Has No Bearing on Case

Quiznos introduced evidence in the case that both before and after the franchisees’ purported termination in October 2006, Piotrowski posted numerous messages on a web site dedicated to having Quiznos franchisees air their grievances. The judge agreed with Quiznos that many of the postings were disparaging, but found they had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Quiznos’ decision to terminate the franchise. Judge Hoffman stated that Quiznos failed to prove that any disparagement so materially impaired their goodwill that they were justified in terminating the franchisees because of it.

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Let us all expose this Company for the monster it is by Stupid Us

To top everything off Quizno's is making all Franchises from before 2000 up to 2006 have a MANDATORY upgrade.
They are sending aroud their make shift know nothing so they call them FBL's, well to me this means fat, bullheaded and lazy.
No PC language here.
To me they are only unqualified health inspectors.

This upgrade will cost around $4000.00 for each store. And as you guesses it we can only do it through Quizno's.
If we do not make the upgrade we will be in Default of our franchise agreement.
This Co. takes new franchisees in with false kindness.
After you are in they so tighten the screws on you that you will if they can help it never show a profit, and they will make all of your money.
When you fail they will follow you to make sure you never gain anything.

They will make all your money by Barbara Jorgensen
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That is for sure.  Quiznos is the poster child of what a bad zor is.  People take notes!  

BizJournal: Quiznos loses case over treatment of franchisee by Don Sniegowski
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Here's the latest:

The Denver Business Journal ($$) just reported the Quiznos v Zig Zag (Piotrowskis) case on the afternoon of Friday, January 9, 2009.

"it was 'an absolute shock' when they received a termination letter from Denver-based Quiznos in October 2006, Piotrowski said."

The full story is for paid print subscribers only. Any subscribers out there who want to report the interesting parts of the article? (Please don't post the whole article.)

When Is Lobster NOT Lobster? by The Anti Q

Answer: When the qtards are involved it's business as usual. This is a little ditty sent out recently to Q franchisees. Nothing has been changed to protect the qtards.

Because our lobster mix is not 100% lobster, the State of Florida has decided that we must rename the
product. Restaurants may continue to serve the LTO upon request but should not display the current POP.
Please immediately remove all Maine Lobster POP, including the event translight, window poster, sneezeguard attachment, stanchion insert, and bag stuffer/flyers. Please post all the POP provided in your Event 5 box as instructed in the National Event 5 Rollout Guide.

We will resume regular sales of this product as soon as the new POP arrives. We will send out a revised
sneezeguard attachment and post revised bag stuffers on the LSM Customization Station as quickly as
possible. Until restaurants receive updated POP, you should consider making half batches of lobster mix.
Please watch your myMessages section of myQuiznos.com for details.

Although this was not identified as a potential issue when we previously tested Maine Lobster in Florida, this
has now become a point of concern for the state.

blah..blah...blah

Q Charges Lobster Prices For Fish Stew Quality by Florida Q

It aint lobster but q has it priced to franchisees like it's pure, fresh, Maine lobster. Just another way that Quiznos takes from the franchisees and gives to itself. Those of you who are looking to invest in a franchise system should stay far, far away.

Quiznos: 'Pounded Over an Ounce' by Don Sniegowski
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Al Lewis of Dow Jones Newswires wrote a column on this case that appeared in the Denver Post yesterday. He adds this news from Quiznos:

"Quiznos executives, however, told me they warned franchisees in advance that mystery shoppers would be coming to weigh the meat, and that it was critical they get it right, because competitors were watching, too.

Quiznos CEO David Deno said he disagrees with much of what the judge said in his order, but he has not made a decision on whether to appeal or pay the judgment. He was not involved with Quiznos in 2006, and was only named CEO in September.

'We want to work together with our franchise partners to grow a great system,' he said. 'Litigation is not the answer.'"

The judge considered that Quiznos was more concerned about its claims viz-a-viz competitor Subway than its own franchisees.

"The judge, however, concluded that Quiznos took its hard line to back up its boast in national advertising that it had 'more than twice the meat' of a Subway sandwich. The chain sent mystery shoppers to most of its more than 4,500 stores, fearing Subway would do the same. Of those, 300 received default or termination notices . . . Despite Quiznos' aggressive efforts to ensure sandwich-weight compliance, Subway sued the company anyway, and that suit is still pending."

NRN: Judge Weighs in Favor of Quiznos Franchisee by Don Sniegowski
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Nation's Restaurant News (NRN) on Thursday, January 8, reported on the December 31 federal court ruling in Denver. Little of the judge's sharply worded court order against Quiznos is covered. Franchise attorneys have explained to me that such mordant language and rebuke is quite unusual in court orders.

The article has this as the crux of why Piotrowski's franchise was singled out to be actually terminated compared to over seven percent of Quiznos' franchises who were only threatened with termination (a fact not mentioned in the article but mentioned in the court order -- see electronic page 8 of the court order, 2nd paragraph, pdf file).

Here's NRN:

"According to court documents, Piotrowski called rather than e-mailed Quiznos’ Denver headquarters, but never received a return phone call. Later when he intimated in a message that he was planning a press conference about the matter, he was contacted by Quiznos’ former legal officer Michael Daigle. Daigle claimed the couple had “materially harmed the brand” in violation of the franchise contract. Quiznos still ordered them to close even after they passed another meat weight test."

In response to the ruling, Deno told Nation’s Restaurant News: “It is certainly not our desire to engage in litigation with our franchisees. Instead, we will continue to dedicate our resources to improving franchise profitability, strengthening relationships with franchise owners and enhancing the Quiznos brand.”

That sounds like Quiznos has decided not to appeal the ruling.

Show me the money and I'll think you care by Rich Gates
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Don't you love all this "you hurt me" ex-lover language coming from ex-franchise owners who couldn't make it? It looks to my eyes like they still cannot figure out what went wrong and how to make their riches.

Do Diligence writes, "You hurt thousands. And made many homeless and caused divorces, suicides and many people to suffer emotionally and financially."

Let's be honest. This is personal because Schaden is a human face behind the misery. Had he made franchise owners wildly rich, he'd be hailed as the Messiah, well, at least a good guy. The same can be said of ex-CEO Brenneman, Deno, President Bush, President Herbert Hoover, Richard Cox of the SEC, Chairman Bernacke of the Fed, ex-chairman Alan Greenspan and soon to be president, Barack Obama.

Are these men evil? Nah, they just pissed people off because we expect them to provide a money-making environment in our corner of the universe.

Success has many friends but failure has none.

Despite the court ruling, the issue is this: Richard Piotrowski threatened to go to the press while being served a termination notice for not meeting Quiznos' operating standards. Now honestly guys and gals, would you recommend this sort of behavior to franchise owners? That's like spitting on the shoe of a traffic cop who is warning you that you are double parked.

That's a lesson on how to lose friends and lose money.

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“When I was young, I thought that money was the most important thing in life; now that I am old, I know it is” - Oscar Wilde

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“When I was young, I thought that money was the most important thing in life; now that I am old, I know it is” - Oscar Wilde
Issue by michael webster
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Rich writes: "Richard Piotrowski threatened to go to the press while being served a termination notice for not meeting Quiznos' operating standards. Now honestly guys and gals, would you recommend this sort of behavior to franchise owners?"

Yes. 

Isn't  this whole post a gag - right down to the name, and the odd use of Oscar Wilde?

Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"


Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"


Re: Show me the money and I'll think you care by maddog
Rich Gates wrote: "Despite the court ruling, the issue is this: Richard Piotrowski threatened to go to the press while being served a termination notice for not meeting Quiznos' operating standards." If you read Judge Hoffman's ruling with open eyes, you would have read that Richard did NOT fail in meeting Quiznos operating standards. That was the whole premise of the case ......! Upon receiving a termination notice, Richard repeatedly called Q HQ, but was unable to get thru to someone with authority to address his valid concerns. If he threatened to call a news conference, that was merely a response to get immediate attention. As far as I know, he did not follow thru with that action. If you were in his shoes, what would you have done ? Q, the school yard bully, got beat up by the little kid that stood up to him - and that's the long & short of the matter. Richard - you make us all proud ! Q will think long and hard, before attempting similar intimidating tactics in the future.
Quizno's is outlier by Paul Steinberg
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"Gates" may have a point of general applicability, but Quiznos (and Schaden) is a bit unusual.

The structure of Quiznos has always been such that failure is preordained. Moreover, the Schadens have known this for years and even cheerfully volunteered during testimony some years ago that 40% of their owners did not even break even (a likely understatement).

Many franchisees fail because they are lazy, incompetent, or just not cut out for business. Many franchise systems fail because the business model is flawed and/or the franchisor is incompetent.

But there are a few systems out there which border on legalized theft, and I would suggest to you that history suggests Quizno's is one of those systems. The franchise industry unwisely chooses to lump all franchisors together, and this creates an awkward situation when the industry has to defend the practices of systems such as Quiznos.

Subway is a much larger chain, and you don't see the quantity nor the severity of the franchisee discontent that you see with Quizno's.

Indeed, anyone who has read BMM can see that there is an small number of systems which account for virtually all of the zee-side outrage on BMM--and Quiznos is one of the hardy perennials. This suggests that the problem is not with the Quizno's franchisees so much as being a problem with the franchisor.

As to Piotrowski's response, it is certainly not the first way that I would think of as a means of resolution. But that is a fact-specific calculus and I don't have sufficient knowledge to judge whether his response made sense under the circumstances.

Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400


Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Re: Show me the money and I'll think you care. by Barbara Jorgensen
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You can't be that naive to believe what you wrote. After a year of studying the franchise world it is obvious that Quiznos and many other franchise systems premeditate the demize of many unsavvy zees who believed that their systems would give them sound business advice. I am certain if everyone knew a train wreak was ahead of them they would of never signed. It is always easy to blame the little guy isn't it? In this system of Quiznos the people that make money is the corporation and those that are connected with corporate. Gouging, encroachment and terminating 300 zees from Quiznos for an ounce of meat is signs of a corporation that doesn't care about the zees. They just don't care. Yes if their zees made money Rick would of been a hero. The way he is doing things, it is doomsville for the zees. People become great when they show sincere desire for others to succeed. There is something my sister said yesterday. Wolves in sheeps clothing. She said once in awhile wolves poke their head out. In the case of Quiznos and other bad zors you see they are wolves in time. When you are working for nothing and keep getting gouged you know you are working with bad people.
Logic flaw by Paul Steinberg
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Rich Gates wrote: Are these men evil? Nah, they just pissed people off because we expect them to provide a money-making environment in our corner of the universe.

I gave money to

  1. Warren Buffet for some Berkshire Hathaway, and some money to
  2. Webster's cousin for some Canadian gold-mining stock, and then some money to
  3. Bernie Madoff for an options strategy.

Now my BRK is down, Bernie says my money is gone, and Webster won't tell me where his cousin is.

Are these men evil? Nah, they just pissed people off because we expected them to make money.

Both "Rich Gates" and "DoDiligence" miss the point. The very structure of Quiznos was and is such that Schaden's franchisees are going to end up on the short end of the stick. 

Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400


Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Paul said it all in one sentence by Barbara Jorgensen
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The very structure of Quiznos was and is such that Schaden's fanchisees are going to end up on the short end of the stick. Well put counselor.
Quiznos Talks the Talk, But What about Walking the Walk? by Bob Frankman
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Does anyone find it difficult to square away that Quiznos would threaten to terminate 7% of its franchises over insufficient meat with the statement, "It is certainly not our desire to engage in litigation with our franchisees."

What is amazing is that Quiznos didn't have a rebellion of litigation over the termination notices.

Quiznos franchisees obviously are really nice guys. They don't mind a beating and termination notice from time to time.

Insufficient meat has terminated many a relationship. by RichardSolomon
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Size does matter.

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Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School


Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Meat by Bob Frankman
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Nonsense. It's the quality of the meat, not the quantity. Any good chef knows that it is possible to satisfy hunger with little.
Are we speaking of Quizno's meat? by Paul Steinberg
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As to Bob Frankman, well-- speak for yourself, Bob.

As to Richard Solomon, I would just remind him that different people may seek satisfaction from different types of meat

Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400


Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Quiznos food has nothing to do with chef issues by RichardSolomon
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If you consider the prrofile of the Q customers/why they go there, you come to the realization that gourmets and hobos are all going there for something quick and tasty - nowadays cheap also. Where I live, folks are hungry. We eat like it's important that we eat. Many of us never get to enjoy what is referred to as "premium meat". We will eat what is placed before us. We can't tell if it's a half ounce short weight. If the fudging gets to the point where it affects the "experience" we will go elsewhere. But short of that, we never know how much is in the sandwich and we don't care what it's made of. Those who follow the healthy products adverts have no idea whether they are eating anything healthy or not. They swallow the message with the fats. I have spent a lot of time as a professional chef - several yeears. I understand food science and dietary issues. But when I eat, I want to enjoy myself - nothing else. I don't want nutritional information on the wall or on the wrapper. I want it to taste good and be reasonably within appreciated norms - that's all. The Q agenda is to look for every possible area to bust frachisees. That's what happens when you are at war with the people upon whom you depend for your revenue. The notion that this is about quality control is specious. When the franchisor places the franchisees under constant extreme duress in the day to day operation of their businesses,there are more slip ups than in a normal relationship. When the mystery shopper comes around, the franchisee has no way to know that what might be a perfectly proper sandwich has been mismeasured by some rogue field rep to further the franchisor's destructive agenda. Every seargent knows how to find a gigging offense on anyone in his platoon whenever he wants to find it. Who are we kidding here? Chicken shit is chicken shit, no matter the context. Anyone who has ever encountered a fragging deserving officer knows exactly what I am talking about.

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Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School


Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Re: Quiznos food has nothing to do with chef issues by Guest
The good counselor wrote: "I don't want nutritional information on the wall or on the wrapper." I might add, or from a naggy wife who stares at the plate of food you just prepared for yourself (and God help you if there's any butter, oleo, cheese or anything else that tastes good on the plate) and goes into her snippy tirade about your cholesterol. I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MY CHOLESTEROL, WOMAN!! I TAKE DRUGS FOR IT! And she's the one that usually finishes off the chocolate, cheese or ice cream just before you have this craving for it.
Quiznos Heavy Handed Tactics by John Q Public
Bob Frankman says: Quiznos franchisees obviously are really nice guys. They don't mind a beating and termination notice from time to time. I say: You are correct Bob! We are nice guys, but more important is that after a while you become numb to the beatings. (Until -of course-you wake up and realize you need to do something about it.)
Re: Quiznos Heavy Handed Tactics by Guest
ah, don't forget, we take the beatings b/c the alternative is to oppose what they really want from us, which is to sign that waiver "releasing Quiznos and anyone in the organization, all their family members, and their offspring indefinitely, any group associated with Quiznos and their offspring indefinitely, their barbers, shoeshiners, gardners, etc" (you get the idea. Sometimes a beating and termination letter is better than bankruptcy and all the woes that come along the way.
Judge Says Quiznos Not Concerned about Franchisees by Don Sniegowski
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Fast Casual, a trade journal for the restaurant industry, also mentioned the Quiznos v Piotrowski outcome on Tuesday. See Judge says Quiznos not concerned about franchisees.
other zee suits by Guest
I am curious to know how many other individual suits are out there? We are part of the TSFA and hope to win there, but we have just entered the beginning phases of a suit from Quiznos' guaranteed lender. Any thoughts as to whether the lenders knowingly participate to fund Quiznos operations, aware of the failure rate only to perpetuate the fluidity? (along with the other vendors we have to do business with)
Quiznos debacle... by Guest
Would love to have this info picked up by the national media. Any ideas as to how to get this started?
National Media Coverage by Ellen Blickman
We agree that this is a story that must get picked up by the national media. Rich & I have already been interviewed by a number of media outlets and we believe that the story will be picked up by other sources. This is a true David vs Goliath tale, and in these days of Madoff-type greed, it is certainly a relevant news story. We are sending out a press release to further promote the story. However, we encourage everyone to write to editors and request that they cover this. Additionally, what you can do is contact your local media if you are a franchisee who has had issues with your franchisor, talking about how this ties in with your personal struggle. Local media loves the local angle. No publication or TV and radio station is too small. Let's get the word out!
Re: National Media Coverage by Ray Borradale
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I suppose it works the same way in the States? 

Business media will pick up on the business/legal aspects but the general media want the 'human angle' - preferrably with a seriously screwed victim [a lead in victim], family pain, a real bad guy [he will be when they finish] and they love it if they can point to an 'authority' and say - "you aholes; why didn't you step in?"; or in Qs case they might point to the Court/Judge and say "what a wonderful job you did on that ahole".

I would suggest that letters and emails to journalists should be short and sharp.  Leave contact details and let them know if there are others that are prepared to be interviewed.. 

The heading and the first few lines must be a 'hook' - they receive lots of mail and decide quickly what is worth reading.  They want 'blood' - you have to grab them immediatley.

When a journalists bites you have to remember that they don't generally have the time to investigate these types of stories.  You then need to give them everything and they will confirm your facts.

I love it when a television journalist chases a bewildered, frightened scumbag franchisor down the road on a Sunday morning trying to stick a camera in his face.  Any scumbag will do but when he’s your scumbag it really is a delight to enjoy over and over again.

In this instance you have to find out addresses, times, meetings, restaurant, gym - anything you can get.

The more things change; the more they stay the same.

RE: National Media by Ellen Blickman
Thanks, Ray, for pointing out the specifics on how to approach the media. I would like to add that a letter should not exceed one page (double spaced) and should have your contact information (name, phone & email) at the top so that your information can be verified. Don't use your letter to tell your whole story - just outline it briefly (but as interestingly as possible.) Let the journalist contact you for more details.
RE: Re National Media by Ray Borradale
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No, thank you Ellen - between Midas Australia hitting the wall and the Q outcome it has been a wonderful start to 2009.  And you are right - we franchisees tend to want to waffle on - with the media franchisees must initially construct something short and smart.

I have been wanting to ask both you and Rich; this must have been a very tough time in your lives - what support at any levels did you have to help you through the highs and lows? 

The more things change; the more they stay the same.

Re: RE: Re National Media by Rich Piotrowski
There is a lot I can say about this, and it's probably too long to answer here. Perhaps I'll do a blog enter on this subject later on.
Thanks Rich by Ray Borradale
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This subject may not be the 'nuts and bolts' of the Q franchising issues; but I would think that all franchisees could benefit from the insight into what to expect and what they will need to get through personally.  And; including how you were dissapointed and 'lessons in hindsight' - what you would do differently.

The more things change; the more they stay the same.

Australian franchise issues by bjskuse
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I know a family that were caught up with the Quiznoz franchise. Not a good experiance. If any other Australians have information relating to bad franchise practices can you please visit www.cheesecakeshoplies.com We are trying to improve the franchise industry in Australia.
I just started a new blog here on blumaumau by Rich Piotrowski
I just started a blog on here now that I can talk about Quiznos and it's ways publicly. My first post is up now with a classic example on how they need to get their own house in order before they dare say anything about any of the zees. This is supposed to be a billion dollar company but when I called them a "Mickey Mouse" operation, I really was being too kind to them and to cruel to Mickey! Please check it out by following the "blog" link at the top of the page
Congratulations on your victory by Ravi
I'm not in the trade. But found this case quite interesting. A focus of my work is with establishing and following PROPER procedures. This case is a case study on rational standard operating procedures, communication and remedial actions. I am sorry you had to go through all of this. But hope that this victory has refreshed your emotional reserves for the hard economic slog that lies ahead.
A public thank-you by Ellen Blickman
I would like to publicly thank our attorneys Jeff Cohen and Daniel Bristol, of Cohen & Associates in Denver. Without their hard work, legal talents and perseverance we would never have been victorious. Jeff and Daniel were personally committed to our case. No one could have asked for better travelling companions on our road trip to hell. We are deeply grateful to them for their legal advise, their unwavering support and their friendship.
Time To Settle, Time For Brennenman To Go by Guest
A grand day for Q franchisees, past and present. A judge has validated what franchisees have been saying for years: that Quiznos is a snake hell bent on ruining franchisees through intimidation and unfair business practices in the name of corporate profits. The arrogant SOB's have been slapped down by a judge, and not for the last time. If Brennenman and the rest of the q-tards were smart they would settle the lawsuits and make meaningful changes to make the dwindling number of franchisees profitable. Unfortunately they aren't that smart. Greg Brennenman was supposedly hired to fix the mess created by the Dicks. For franchisees he has been a disappointment and a failure. As a franchisee I'm calling Brennenman out. Resign, sell your q stake and disappear with the rest of your "dream team". What Quiznos needs is a LEADER committed to a real partnership with franchisees before this ponzi scheme collapses and takes us all down.
I would be happy if the courts would recognize by Barbara Jorgensen
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many of the franchise systems are indeed ponzi schemes.Created to rob people of all their money to build their empires. I am hoping one day the courts will see the one-sided agreements are a license to lie,steal and cheat people. I am hoping franchising will be beneficial for everyone. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what is going on in the world of franchising. (Thanks to BMM and the internet.)

Quiznos Brennneman by Guest
I think Greg Brenneman is a good guy. You put a good guy in a bad situation and you get bad results. There is no doubt that he didn't accomplish his objectives. Far from it. He did bring in the food rebate program and did lower prices on many food and paper items. Are we better off now that Greg has come and gone or would Schaden and Shaffer have done a better job. Check your honesty button and you know Greg was better than what we had. That being said, we need a complete overhaul of the executives in Denver. Promoting people up though the ranks with little or no experience will not allow us to compete with Subway.
Re: Quiznos Brenneman by maddog
Guest wrote: "I think Greg Brenneman is a good guy. You put a good guy in a bad situation and you get bad results." That is a fair assessment. Greg did make positive changes during the first 6 months of his tenure. After that he hit a brick wall. We can speculate why; my guess being the veto powers of the majority shareholders - the Dicks. Unless there is a major overhall at denver HQ, the remnants of Greg's team and the rejects from other QSR's have no clue what to do. And Dave Deno, current CEO is a dinosaur - just listen to him a few times and you will agree with that opinion.
The "He sucked less than them" defense... by Guest
Ah, the "He sucked less than them" defense... Second only to "Twinkie" defense.
Quiznos FO's...JOIN THE TSFA NOW! by Guest
I hope many Quiznos FO's read this judge's decision. There has to be strength in numbers to bring this 300 lb gorilla (Quiznos) to the realization that all this talk about being concerned with franchisee profitability is just that...ALL TALK! They have been getting away with their illegal and im moral actions for way too long. BE VOCAL! SPEAK UP!
Quiznos Suit by Bob Bowers
As a former customer of Rich and Ellen's QUIZNOS, I am elated that they finally prevailed! I look forward to again lunching at their NEW establishment, wherever it may be. They represent the American spirit of truth and independence at its finest.
Quiznos Bully Beat Up by Guest
Take that Quiznos. A judge just made you look like the fools that you are. You don't have to worry about franchise owners making disparaging remarks. The private equity firm that invested in this nightmare must be wondering what in the world were they thinking of when they bought into this company run by clowns. The New Year hangover has just started.
Re: Quiznos Suit by Rich Piotrowski
Bob really was a former customer of ours and it has been nice to receive the number of emails I have from Bob and many others last night and today. One of the most frustrating thing to us personally was dealing with the stigma of having so many people out there in our community thinking that we failed. Its just one of the many way that a company like Quiznos ruins lives.
Quiznos Charade by Colorado Quiznos Owner
As these legal battles become public it will become obvious that the Quiznos Corporation has no regard for the Quiznos franchisee. The Corporate Quiznos owners are very unethical, lack business values, working on hidden agenda. This group is more concerned about making money of the "essential goods" its sells to the Franchisees than creating a successful sustainable franchise system. AFD is a complete conflict of interest,how many lawsuits are needed to understand. They know a large percent of the franchisees are in distress and failing, stores are closing daily. This group of corporate owners continues to be the biggest threat to the individual Quiznos Franchise Owner. Most favorite line from the judge “so we have this schizophrenic behavior by Quiznos......... half supplies them with the things they need to succeed". BINGO !!!! HOLD YOUR CARDS WE HAVE A WINNER!!! Quiznos doesn't understand why they have almost ZERO multi-unit ownership.
Re: Quiznos Charade by Guest
So corporate continued to allow the FO's to buy & sell food but didn't collect royalties & advertising monies. How bizzarre! Why so little concern about the royalties and advertising? It's common knowldege that the majority of corporates' money comes from selling food/supplies and collecting "management fees" and commissions from third party service companies (both real and corporate owned). Knowing that almost half of the royalties go to the local AD's to fund their contractually required support of local field operations, could it be possible that corporate is showing a lack of concern for their AD's as well as no specific mention was made of cutting off support by their local AD?
What about the Q's that do pay royalties? by Mufflerman
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One wonders aloud how other Quizno's franchisees feel about one of their own being allowed to use the trademarks, products, etc. without paying royalties or into the advertising fund.
Re: What about the Q's that do pay royalties? by Rich Piotrowski
First, we never stopped paying them. We never closed the account that they were ACHing money from, never tried to get the bank to refuse any ACH requests, and we continued to report our sales numbers for a while (we stopped as after a while we were shut out of that system too). What did happen was Quiznos stopped taking them. Additionally, Quiznos attorney kept trying to make the point that we didn't pay them even though the Judge knew and understood it was Quiznos that made the decision to stop taking them. That's why the Judge labeled their behavior as schizophrenic and said this one part alone was Bizarre. Now beyond that your question is still valid if other Q zees would like to respond.
Thanks Janet for this article by Rich Piotrowski
Now that we have regained our free speech rights, and can speak out publicly on what Quiznos is doing, and that is exactly what my wife Ellen and I will be doing as we go forward. We are going to be as active as we can be to help bring this message to the public, and to inform the public of the true nature of the way this company operates. As bad as what Quiznos did to us was, it's only the tip of the iceberg. Quiznos mistake in our case was they became a victim of their own arrogance. What's frustrating is, as long as this trial was - it lasted the full five days with the Judge starting the days early and keep things going until after 5pm - we only had a chance to cover a small part of what this was about. For example, the disparaging postings; we never really got into them as they legally never mattered. I maintain that I never disparaged "the brand". My online postings were limited to the TSFA board and not on sites such as this one, although I so often wanted to post on here too, as I felt I owed that to someone like me researching this brand. The absurdity of this is that in order to do your due diligence you need to talk to existing owners, yet those very same owners under the Quiznos Franchise Agreement are prohibited from saying ANYTHING negative! As a further example of this absurdity, one of my "negative" postings was on a topic thread about the news coverage resulting from the arrest of Quiznos Marketing VP Scott Lippett, who was arrested for trying to meet up with a 13 year old for sex. It was a sting operation and he showed up with alcohol and several other "toys" in his car. To the distorted (dare I say perverted?) world of Mike Daigle, I have no right to call the convicted Pedophile Scott Lippett a creep. Yes, if asked I suppose I'd have to say he's a nice person, or risk being sued! My comment about Lippett was one of the ten they mentioned in the complaint. Going forward I'll be on this site often, posting a lot more about what I know about Quiznos and how they operate. In the meantime, if you are a Quiznos FO, please join the TSFA and if you want, feel free to contact me at any time.
Help by Amy
I am a Canadian Franchisee. I have had multiple defaults and am now being threatened with termination. I have been unable to attend quarterly meetings for almost 2 years now as my opinon is not appreciated. (I am outspoken) I have been defaulted for not participating in the 5 after 5 promo (my discounting was in excess of 25%). I have been defaulted for meeting other franchisees although they called it something else - harassment of other franchisees. I have been defaulted for not purchasing my delivery kit. I asked for and never received break even numbers or studies Q did for the viablity of this program. I did some investigating of my own and found that franchisees in the test area were very unhappy with the program and reported to me losses of $300-800 a week. I am one of the lucky ones who actually has a store that averages $12,000 a week although I am still unable to draw a salary. I run a great store but have become tired of working for free and now with the new pricing I am looking at the possiblity of paying for the privilege of owning a Quiznos. I am in my 8th year now and have watched Q's behavior become irrational and vendictive. I would appreciate any words of wisdom you might have for me.
Re: Help by Rich Piotrowski
Hey Amy. Contact me directly and maybe I can help, or at least point you in the right direction. I'm assuming that any legal battle has to be done in Canada, under your agreement, but you never know what we can do here in the US, so its worth asking around. You can click on my name I think and send me a private message.
Canadian attorneys may be out of work by Paul Steinberg
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Rich, I don't know about the Canadian law, but remember that US law says that you may be forced to settle your dispute in a foreign country if that is what your contract says.

The leading cases are Bremen v. Zapata Offshore (involving Pres. Bush Sr's company, I think) providing for litigation in London and there was  Mitsubishi v. Soler Chrysler-Plymouth ,(an auto franchisee forced to arbitrate in Tokyo).

Amy should check her contract to see if there is a forum selection clause, and consult with an attorney in her home jurisdiction to see if the clause is enforceable. She may need a US attorney after all.

Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400


Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Canadian Q's by michael webster
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Paul, typically the Canadian Q's have an Ontario forum selection clause in their agreement.  Also 3 provinces have franchise protection statutes that cannot be contracted out of. 

But you are correct that Amy should check her franchise agreement to determine that. 

Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"


Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"


Re: Canadian attorneys may be out of work by Rich Piotrowski
Wow, thanks Paul. I'm now at least a little bit less ignorant on this. I guess the next question would be is which is a better place to take the dispute, assuming she would get to choose.
Quiznos owes an apology by Guest
First the legal department for quiznos need to immediatley resign, and second the Quiznos Corporate leadership need to publically appologizes to all of its franchisee for not showing any faith in them at all and admit that they have failed them all time and time again. And to think the whole time they have sat back on their hands and continued to act as if the franchisees are all incompotent fools and really don't know how to run a sub shop. Shame on you Quiznos. Submit your resignation Mr. D and do it quickly.
Re: Quiznos owes an apology by Guest
No my friend. The last thing we want is for the Quiznos legal team to resign! After reading the judges' decision it is blatantly obvious that... 1. The Quiznos legal team is incredibly inempt.. 2. The Quiznos legal team has been making decisions emotionally... 3. The Quiznos intra-departmental operations/communications are severly flawed... 4. Some Quiznos employees, by trying to do their jobs correctly/logically have exposed the follies of the Quiznos legal team and Quiznos management. Therefore I conlcude that the time is ripe for LAWSUITS! Let the discovery processes begin!!!!!
Charade by maddog
My god, charade is not the right word, the epitome of incompetence is more appropriate ! It is obvious reading thru the ruling that Quizno's operations, legal, QA, accounting and field people were not only NOT on the same page, they were not even in the same ballpark ......! As for this Daigle lawyer character, I hope he gets disbarred, or as a minimum has great difficulty finding employment in the future. And if he is currently employed, I hope his current employer takes heed and relieves him of his duties, before he lands them in hot water. He gives the profession a bad name. As for Quiznos corporate, whose first and only position always has been "We have done no wrong", Judge Hoffman clearly spelled it out for them in language that even a 12 year old would understand - the references to movies notwithstanding, which added color to his decision. Congratulations to Rich ! Even though this is not a financial windfall, it will help with the bills and give him a chance to put his life back together.
It is all good news at BMM by Ray Borradale
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This is a wonderful outcome.  The whingers and the sceptics complain "from time to time" that BMM doesn't publish enough good news.  Almost everything published here is good news to those who struggle to understand what the hell happened or especially for those who became educated and avoided a terrible decision. 

We all know the abuses and tactics employed by Quiznos are far from unique.  What many don't appreciate is that justice is hard to get without follow through. This is a good lesson for everyone.

Congratulations to every Quiznos franchisee.

The more things change; the more they stay the same.

Re: Charade by Rich Piotrowski
For what it's worth, Daigle is now a partner with the firm Cheng Cohen in Chicago. Here's a PR on it: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS38967+10-May-2008+PRN20080510 For those that wonder if that could be Ric Cohen in that name the answer is yes. Apparently Cheng and Cohen bailed out of DLA Piper and started their own firm. Now they brought in Daigle to make it complete, if being the most anti-zee law firm is your mission that is. Also Daigle testified he is still doing work for Quiznos with the new firm. Yeah... Brenneman tried to change so much! What BS that was.
Looking forward by Ray Borradale
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to hearing more from you Rich. Great work!

The more things change; the more they stay the same.

Congratulations by Barbara Jorgensen
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See zees can win in court. Just tell the truth and nothing but the truth. Hopefully blogging has helped more people than you think. If stories are consistant and it is one story after another what can they say? It is a moral victory!
Quiznos Doesn't Get It by Guest
It's sad that these Bozo's are damaging their own brand internally. These thugs are their own worst enemy and they just don't get it. Quiznos are closing right and left due to the ineffective leadership of this company. Meanwhile, they are in court battling out if a owner didn't put enough meat on a sandwich. Schaden, you cease to amaze me!
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Pennsylvania franchisees fly to court in Denver by Guest
These poor franchisees. They had to fly in from the East Coast to camp out in Denver to fight this in the courts of Denver, their franchisors home town. I take it that this was what was stipulated in the franchise agreement. I hope that at least they were able to get some skiing in during those long waits.

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