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UPS Denies Existence of Feasibility Study, Now Unsealed as Evidence

ATLANTA – In an interview last October with United Parcel Services, spokesperson Norman Black emphatically stated that he could not confirm that UPS or Mail Boxes Etc. (MBE) had engaged the services of the Boston Consulting Group to conduct a major study (pdf file, 15 pgs) on the financial health of the system. When informed that a deposition of MBE in-house counsel Rich Kolman revealed the alleged results of the feasibility report showing “77 percent of the network, meaning 77 percent of the stores, were operating at “either an at risk or worse status,”  Black replied, “We don’t need an outside consultant to tell us the health of our network. I want to be very clear here. I have no idea what you are talking about.”

no significant returns for MBE stores
Trial exhibit, top of slide 8. Source: Boston Consulting Group study of the Mail Boxes Etc., UPS Store chain

Now as franchisees prepare for trial in the Morgate LLC v. Mail Boxes Etc. case, the 2006 Boston Consulting Group report that Black says he knew nothing about will be a focus in the litigation, highlighting areas related to franchisee profitability or the lack thereof. Fifteen pages of the report have been unsealed by Judge Highberger, who is presiding over the trial.

But Black went farther saying that even if they had hired a vendor to perform such a study, they would not discuss the results. When asked if a study did show that 77 percent of stores were at risk, should that information be disclosed in the franchise disclosure documents for prospective franchisees, he said, “I can’t discuss it. Again, I can tell you as a general matter that UPS/MBE does not need an outside consultant study to tell us the health of our network.” Black said he did not have time to “start fishing back to something that had happened in 2006.” When asked if someone else in the corporation could answer questions about the study, Black firmly stated no.

But the Boston Consulting Group study actually did exist in spite of Black’s comments.  

When Mail Boxes Etc/The UPS Store franchise advisory council met in February 2008, the report was one of the main topics of discussion, according to the council’s agenda. MBE vice president of marketing Tom Crockett reviewed the activities of the consulting group, which he said was hired to evaluate the current status of the network and help identify future growth opportunities for The UPS Store.

Currently they are still in the evaluation stage, and are looking at every possible parameter to understand the business. They have interviewed franchisees, MBE and UPS retail management, visited TUPSS [The UPS Store] and competitor’s stores, and conducted a franchisee survey. They are reviewing and analyzing all of our factual data and trends (i.e. our numbers), industry data and trends, competitor data and trends and franchising data and trends. They are looking at individual store metrics such as product and service issues (challenges and opportunities), refining customer “segmentation” i.e. trying to understand customer needs, and which customers contribute most to our business. They are trying to define our core customer, how to communicate with them, how to motivate them and how to capture them. In short they are taking a “deep dive’ into our business in order to help move the TUPSS network to the next level.

The work should be completed in approximately six more weeks when a full slate of recommendations should be available. The results will be evaluated by MBE and UPS and plans of action developed to implement the selected recommendations. At that time, decisions will be made regarding how to communicate the findings.

According to one undisclosed source, UPS spent approximately $3 million to engage the Boston Consulting Group to do the study.

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Jane???   Jane????   Are you by MBE forever

Jane???   Jane????   Are you out there?  Are you reading here today?

Is Paul with you???

Welllllllllllllllllllll---Jan by MBE forever

Welllllllllllllllllllll---Jane and Paul might not have signed on today afterall.

It sounds like there is a little housecleaning going on at Corporate Headquarters.

Yikes, all those great depos, I can't believe they are letting those good people go after them.

Bye Matt Roybal!

NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Question for Michael Webster by Ask the man that owns one
By Guest2009-07-04 12:23
Question For Michael Webster

 

Information has been circulated recently regarding a Canadian Arbitration that apparently was recently unsealed by the Canadian Court System.


IN THE MATTER OF AN ARBITRATION


BETWEEN:


MBEC COMMUNICATIONS INC.


                 - and -


DOUGLAS W. GABEL, 1261658 ONTARIO LTD., and


RASDA HOLDINGS LIMITED


Heard at Toronto on June 16 and 17, 2008


P. T. Galligan

MBE Decision by michael webster
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Yes, I can address this decision and will do so shortly.  It is an important decision and I do have an article forthcoming on the MBE and UPS situation.


Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"


Question Regarding Average Store Profitability Feasibility Study by Dave

Just interested to find out how many MBE and UPS stores have had recent UPS sponsored AMPC shipping centers suddenly opened up in their franchise back yard?   Prior to January 1, 2009, efforts by this competitive shipping neighbor to acquire a UPS shipping services over the past 2 years were always denied by UPS.  However after January 1, 2009, when AMPC lost their DHL domestic presence, 3000+ AMPC centers instantly became UPS APO’s with full services.  Is this now the new UPS policy or strategy to bankrupt away the MBE/UPS Store problem?  Anyway, efforts to remove the new UPS backyard competition were sternly overruled by UPS senior management.  In the final document/decision from MBE legal, it was made very clear to us that our exclusive franchise area now only applies exclusively to MBE UPS Store service areas and UPS retains their brand right to open a UPS supported APO center any were they chose with or without a business case.  The new UPS AMPC center stays.  How does this new despicable UPS competitive action fit into the Average Store Profitability Feasibility Study?  Is AMPC now the new UPS snake in the grass store front? 

 

Another Disenfranchised UPS Store Owner

UPS ASO by Ask the Man that owns One

Why shouldn't an independent store be able to have a UPS account.  Are you afraid of competition.  As long as you are the one in your territory with the UPS Store sign over the door, you have the major advantage, do you not? As a UPS Store you get the maximum discounts in the industry without having to earn them based on volume.  Did you not know when you signed on to be a UPS Store that the territory protections applied only to not having another UPS Store physically within your territory?

Might as well complain about Staples, Office Depot and Wal*Mart.

 

Maximum Discounts? You need to drink more Kool Aid by Guest

You are obviously one of these Kool Aid drinking, brainwashed, brown nosers. You have no idea how the Corporate Pigs at UPS operate.

I can give you Dozens, yes thats right, DOZENS of examples where companies with lower shipping volume than a UPS Store get bigger discounts on shipping from UPS. To make things worse, ASO can charge whatever they want for UPS shipping services, not true with The UPS Store, Stores are regulated by UPS communist management as to the maximum "retail rate" that they can charge. These margins simply are not good enough to sustain a shipping business. Its that simple.

UPS ASO by ME

We bought our store on the UPS commitmant by UPS "that no more ASO operators would be allowed". UPS told us they were committed to protecting the store system. What a bunch of lies and misrepresentations. UPS has done nothing to protect the store system and in fact has taken every step possible to destroy the network and the owners who invested life savings. Why should other shippers recieve for free what store owners paid for? As far as the BSG study that was in thier hands at the time we bought into this mess in no way would we have moved forward knowing any part of the BSG study results. Maybe thats' why UPs refused to let us see a copy?

UPS ASO by Ask the Man that owns One

Why shouldn't an independent store be able to have a UPS account.  Are you afraid of competition.  As long as you are the one in your territory with the UPS Store sign over the door, you have the major advantage, do you not? As a UPS Store you get the maximum discounts in the industry without having to earn them based on volume.  Did you not know when you signed on to be a UPS Store that the territory protections applied only to not having another UPS Store physically within your territory?

Might as well complain about Staples, Office Depot and Wal*Mart.

 

ups aso by Guest

What discounts does an aso status get you in relation to a ups store franchise discount. Is there really that much of a difference?

it's about promises made by UPS to MBE/UPSS owners by 'da mom

First, get your facts straight.  Dominoes pizza franchisees pay less for a NDA than the COST of the same product to a UPSS owner. UPS made promises and has renigged on almost every one.  Further, an MBE/UPSS has higher costs than an independent, Staples, etc.etc.  ONLY UPS is making a profit on these stores, not the owners.

UPS ASO by Ask the man that owns one

First, let me say that my post was somewhat tongue in cheek.  UPS is contemptable! You should file suit immediately if they made promises that you can prove they made and broke!

First, get your facts straight.  Dominoes pizza franchisees pay less for a NDA than the COST of the same product to a UPSS owner.

Dominoes is not in the same industry, they do not retail shipping, therefore they get a better price. what do they need with next day air anyway.  Maybe they get a good deal because Stuart Mathis used to work for them.  Or maybe it is a matter of competition, they have a choice. Domino'e could choose to give their business to Fedex.  You do not have that choice, so of course you have to pay more.                                                                                                                               

UPS made promises and has renigged on almost every one.  Further, an MBE/UPSS has higher costs than an independent, Staples, etc.etc.  ONLY UPS is making a profit on these stores, not the owners.

Show proof that UPS made these promises, if indeed they did, then they may have been acting in bad faith! Why would they favor captive business over gaining new business, it would not be a smart decision.

The higher costs of operating a MBE/UPS Store are irrelevant.  I am an ex-MBE, now independent, UPS screws me every way they can. Thus, most of my packages go Fedex.  They refuse to give me an ASO account, they charge me full published price plus all of the surcharges like address correction and Saturday pickups that are waived for others.  It is stupid on their part, but no one every said they had integrity or good business sense! 

 

UPS AS o s by Steven

Show proof that UPS made these promises, if indeed they did, then they may have been acting in bad faith! Why would they favor captive business over gaining new business, it would not be a smart decision.

I think franchises have been trying to show the proof since 2003. It's very tough for sampson to go up against goliath in todays legal system.

Remember this:

“We know from speaking to other franchisees that are fighting UPS that this company will pull every bullying tactic in the book to put us out of business. They filed frivolous TRO’s (temporary restraining orders) for trademark violations in Federal Court. It is the kind of tactic often used by big business to drain the small businessperson of all their financial resources so they can’t obtain justice in the courts. Unable to face us in a fair court fight, they rely on dirty tricks. They are totally indifferent to the pain and suffering that they have inflicted on their franchisees. Our lives are no more than collateral damage in their drive for more corporate profit,”

 

INTEGRITY! WHO UPS? ASK ANY by ME

INTEGRITY! WHO UPS?

ASK ANY TUPSS CO-OP ADVERTISING GROUP IN AMERICA THIS QUESTION; THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT STATES THAT "CO-OP MONIES WILL BE PLACED IN AN INTEREST BEARING ACCOUNT AND THE PROCEEDS RETURNED TO THE CO-OP" HOW MUCH INTEREST ON DEPOSITS HAS YOUR CO-OP RECIEVED? 

ANSWER-NOT ONE ADVERTISING CO-OP HAS RECIEVED ONE PENNY OF INTEREST PAYMENTS FROM TUPSS.

SO MUCH FOR THE CONTRACTUAL COMMITMANTS AND INTEGRITY OF TUPSS AND UPS.

Thanks Michael by Ask the man that owns one

this is indeed important as I feel the judge really got it regarding renewal and articulated very well the essence of the argument we have pursued for over 6 years.  At times our message may have been less clear than that expressed by Mr. Gabel and picked up on by the arbitrator.

Substitution and Not Renewal by michael webster
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This never was a renewal case, UPS mothballed the MBE trademarks.  They didn't modify them for use upon renewal.  UPS simply substituted its trademarks for the MBE trademarks.  To see this you have to review the bankruptcy materials and figure out the new corporate structures that emerged - the MBE trademarks, but not the contracts, were assigned to a company that could not lease them to any North Americans.  This is a case about substitution of marks and not a renewal or modification of old marks.


Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"


Question for Michael Webster by Ask the man that owns one
By Guest2009-07-04 12:23
Question For Michael Webster

 

Information has been circulated recently regarding a Canadian Arbitration that apparently was recently unsealed by the Canadian Court System.


IN THE MATTER OF AN ARBITRATION


BETWEEN:


MBEC COMMUNICATIONS INC.


                 - and -


DOUGLAS W. GABEL, 1261658 ONTARIO LTD., and


RASDA HOLDINGS LIMITED


Heard at Toronto on June 16 and 17, 2008


P. T. Galligan

If 77% of stores were at risk by Barbara Jorgensen
Barbara Jorgensen's picture

It is common sense that this fact needed to be disclosed to the future zees in their disclosure documents.  I don't understand how zors get away with this.  If the zee's don't win in court I am sure not only the zees will be dissappointed but many zees across the country. If the lawyers say it doesn't have to be disclosed than no one should trust an FDD. 

Perhaps the franchisee associations should make up an addendum for zee wannabees. Every zee has the option to join a franchise assoiciation regardless if the FDD says an zee cannot join.  In the addendum should be things that will protect the zee from a one sided contract.  This is one way to grow franchise associations.  In other words you cannot buy a franchise unless you are apart of an association.  I believe this will make people feel safer going the franchise route.

Kolman by Willy
Rich Kolman is a snake in the grass. I have had dealings with him in the past and his ethics are very much in question. As a seasoned owner(the ups store), I found out early that the legal department works against the franchisees. As a believer in our system, I am sad to see that our leadership is based often times on Mr.Kolman decisions. Skip Tarr himself is directed by Mr. Kolman and not be Mr. Mathis. It is my professional opinion that Mr.Kolman be removed from the network. He has become a toxic asset to our network and has become a liability. I applaud the owners that are taking a stand. We stess honesty and integrity in our network and I would like to see that work both ways. Message to Rich: Please review our core values and adhere to said values.
Re: Kolman by Guest
Skip Tarr has been gone for quite some time!!!
Re: Re: Kolman by Guest
still there Paul Martini is the one that left
SKIPPY by WILLY
SKIP IS NOW HEAD OF TRANSFERS.
Not that could be true by Guest
Black replied, “We don’t need an outside consultant to tell us the health of our network. I want to be very clear here. I have no idea what you are talking about.” Heck he doesn't know what he is talking about, how could he comprehend what someone else said! Norman, you going to wear boxers or briefs today? Norman: "depends"
Jim Amos by Guest
Where is Jim Amos when they need him?
BCG Report by jd
Are you saying that you were fraudulently induced to convert to a UPS Store in 2003 based on a report that was created in 2006? I just don't see how this report plays such an important piece if you became part of the franchise system before 2006. I looked at the 15 pages of report, and this is something that all franchisors should be doing. Why? Because they want to figure out what that 'goal' number is and try to get as many of the people to that goal as possible. is it something that needs to be shared with the franchisees? In my opinion, no.
Re: BCG Report by Guest
hey dummy! this lawsuit was brought by MBE stores that didn't convert.Also, this is a symptom of UPS deception, not the disease. If it were not such a big deal then why lie about it's existence?
Re: Re: BCG Report by jd
The 'class' also includes MBE stores that did convert; which again means a 2006 report really has nothing to do with a conversion that happened in 2003.
Re: Re: Re: BCG Report by Guest
the figures fed to them came from 2000-2005 that includes the right time frame.
JD by Guest
LOOK THE YEARS THE FIGURES ARE COMING FROM.
2003 by michael webster
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jd, you have to be careful here.  The 2006 full report may well establish that UPS knew of problems with its Gold Shield conversion program back in 2003. The fact that UPS refused to disclose information is troubling: if there was no link to the past, why not disclose?

Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"


Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"


Re: 2003 by Guest
the non disclosure of the boston consulting group report by mbe/ups confirms a pattern of deception that has gone on since ups bought the franchise. the initial deception really began when the results of the gold shield "tests" were not fully released and what was released was inaccurate. this manipulation of the facts by ups was what set the gold shield effort (conversion of the mbe stores to ups stores) rolling. based on ups's doctored data, many mbe stores converted to the unprofitable ups model and thus began their demise.
Good point, Michael - It isn't likely that there was no real by RichardSolomon
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time tracking - especially if they had the tracking information to give to the study group. If there were significant problems, they would have been known. If you have a Quiznos model, they continue to sell in the teeth of a system failure storm.

In some companies, knowing there are problems leads to the delusion that they can fix it and that there is no need to stop selling until the fix is completed. J&J did that with their early cat scanners, so why not other companies having similar management attitudes.

Troubled systems that need to get fixed are known through the system amongst the franchisees, but the franchisees don't tell prospective franchisees when they make due diligence inquiries, in most instances. If Quiznos franchisees told about the troubles, there probably wouldn't be several thousand sold but unopened stores. Franchisees become the abettors of the franchisor in these situations. Did people calling these franchisees get told about the problems? Hmmmm.

How many class members knew of the problems and didn't tell franchise investors about it before they bought into the difficulties? We will probably never know. If the knowledgeable franchisees told about the problems, would there even be a class of subsequently defrauded franchisees?

This is somewhat speclative, but franchisees are often complicit in frauds that are committed by witholding information investors would want to know before making their investment decisions. They often see a difference between telling an outright porky and not telling about something that someone would want to know.

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Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School


Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Franchisees withholding information by Guest
Richard said: This is somewhat speclative, but franchisees are often complicit in frauds that are committed by witholding information investors would want to know before making their investment decisions. They often see a difference between telling an outright porky and not telling about something that someone would want to know. ________________________________________ This is a good point but when your Franchisor calls or has an agent call and pretend to be a prospective buyer to judge your response, you tend to worry about retribution.
That is precisely why calling franchisees is not reliable by RichardSolomon
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pre investment due diligence. It is only a starting point - nothing on which to base an investment decision.

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Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School


Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Contacting existing by Ray Borradale
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Contacting existing franchisees is a waste of time; contacting past franchisees is often just as much a waste of time if they have gag clauses enforced and they won't tell you if they do.

I don't see a problem with contacting any of the above as long as the person evaluating the information knows what to ask and how to interpret the information.  The average excitable prospect will interpret anything to validate a potentially disasterous decision.  There is much more reliable information than you will get from franchisees.

Seriously; there should be a law stopping most, if not all franchisees from conducting there own due diligence.  If due diligence was only performed by franchising professionals then scams would not survive long and we could all play more golf  ... or whatever ..

The more things change; the more they stay the same.

Re: Contacting existing by Guest
Unscrupulous franchisors will use any means avaialble to ensure that a franchise sale will go through....they need the money - a sure sign the business may well be a 'scam'? Desperate people do desperate things and even existing franchisees will assist dubious franchisors (sometimes unwittingly) by selling their business out of desperation to try and retrieve something from a bad situaion, knowing full well the franchisor will pin them up against the wall and disembowel them before they would ever 'act in good faith'. The franchisor is in franchising to sell franchises by all means availble Ray suggests that franchisees should not conduct their own due diligence because we are all only too well aware of how easy it is for franchisors to put up the smoke and mirrors to deflect any heat (including amongst other things, disclaimers and the confidentialty agreements of ex franchisees that the ACCC acknowledge yet do nothing about...they are very good at doing nothing!!!) If a mandatory code dictates that ex franchisees for the previous 3 years MUST be included, yet the franchisor is holding those same people to gag orders or confidentialty agreements, wouldn't that be seen as a fairly obvious attempt to circumvent the law and mandatory disclosure obligations designed to promote an "informed decision"? Sorry, just me being stupid again Now what about "professional franchising experts" conducting due diligence? May I suggest that most lawyers would use a standard form comment for all franchise discussions along the lines of "based on the information before me, this would appear to be a viable business/franchise etc". How far do they dig to get truth? If they have to dig too far then then surely they should advise against it, and probably do. However, even more fundamental to this, if lawyers are aware of this practice of throwing gag orders and confidentialty agreements around to shush existing and previous franchisees (lawyers have to draft and get the orders sanctioned in the first place), why would they ever "in good faith" advise anybody to buy a franchise after advertisng themselves as "franchising experts"? (We know who they are here in Australia - some don't even seem to grasp the concept of "parliamentary priviledge"?) Even more hipocritical, is to accuse people of inadequate due diligence when they may well have been party to the process of hiding the truth? There's no money in the little ol' franchisee, all the money flows from the francshisor...TPA compliance, disclosure, drafting, advice, head kicking of franchisees etc. Accountants!! Unless an accountant has access to the books of the franchisor to verify the figues, they too can only act on the information in front of them. (let's not forget the franchisors disclaimer attached to all the data - oh that's right, they're not supposed to do that any more) If it is wrong, or should I say "a mistake" the franchisee is left in the lurch. Welcome to BMM!!! I ask myself everyday "why the hell would anybody want to buy a franchise" and everyday I am no closer to an answer. Just a real shame I didn't know all this before I wasted my money on a franchise to learn the very evil underbelly of franchising, perpetrated by someone who is supposed to be a franchising icon. If they are an icon or somebody we should look up to, then franchising is certainly not for me. I have morals!!!
Re: Re: Contacting existing by Ray Borradale
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You raise some good points but we are on the wrong BMM thread here.  Would it be possible to post your comment to the Aisa Pacific Centre blog and when I get back from meetings I would like to get into this with you.

One point:  we don't have ANY practicing franchising due diligence experts in this country that can vet the agreement, the franchisor, the concept, the franchise model AND the franchise financial model.  We have some great people that can perform part but not all and not many at all that perform in the best interests of the prospective franchisee.

The more things change; the more they stay the same.

Become a mole. by Guest
I am a franchise owner that is getting nicely Q'd. I did a tremendous amount of due diligence before I signed on the line and it bore no fruit. As Richard points out, every franchisee either didn't talk or blew me sunshine. The zor hid behind the rule they can't say anything. The lawyers I consulted never directly answered a question but spoke with vague words. In short it was a huge waste of time and money. My suggestion for the would be zee...if you're serious about dropping a lot of money, taking on massive amounts of personal risk via personal guarantees and obligating yourself to a lengthy licensing agreement of 15 years or more which you may not be able to break before your sentence is fully served...before you commit to anything...go work part time in an existing store for 90 to 180 days. Also work part time for the competition. You can learn a lot just by watching and listening. Oh...and a shameless plug for BMM...if only BMM existed when I was signing my life and life savings away...if only...read EVERYTHING on this website including the archived files! There are some damn good franchises out there but there seem to be more of the rotten ones. And whatever you do...don't get Q'd!
Mole Guest Said: by Granville_Bean
"...before you commit to anything...go work part time in an existing store for 90 to 180 days. Also work part time for the competition. You can learn a lot just by watching and listening." Jeez, I have been saying this over and over, but nobody listens to me either. Instead we hear later from the dazed victims after the fact who say "well no, I didn't have any experience, but I thought that was okay because the Zor would show me the way". Unfortunately, the Zor's 2-week training program AFTER they've collected the franchise few, is too little and too late. By the time the poor newbie Zee knows enough to figure out if the Zor is good or bad, they've already paid.
Forget the mole, become more vocal by oldsword
A little off topic, but it would behoove franchisees that used SBA funding to purchase the franchise to share notes. Especially those purchasing in roughly the same years (all those who bought in 2006 and 2007, for instance) to see if the same loan consultants and/or the same projections were used . Most franchisees, focusing solely on making the business work (especially after corporate is telling you that you are the only one experiencing problems), forget completely about the business plan they submitted for the loan and never refer back to it. Analyze whether your projections had any basis in reality and analyze what your TRUE first year (from exact opening date) earnings were. Some may say not to bother because it is "quietly known" that SBA doesn't care. This site is now exposing more and more fraud. Cuppy's, UPS, my franchisor (and I can almost guarantee majors like Quiznos, Cold Stone due to their significant closings), they all have inflated revenue projections in common but it has been rarely discussed until now. If the SBA is exposed to more criticism they will have to find a scapegoat to attack and then change their rules (and their enforcement) to show that they are not part of any predatory lending. The FTC and the SBA are two entirely separate entities. While the FTC can allow franchisors to indiscriminately "pick off" unsuspecting franchise investors (in this case, UPS franchisees), the SBA is the one actually lending the money. They have to uphold certain "good loan" practices required by banking regulators or face a major black eye under public scrutiny. Sorry for not quite being on this specific thread's topic.
Sharing Notes by Paul Steinberg
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Oldsword wrote:

Cuppy's, UPS, my franchisor (and I can almost guarantee majors like Quiznos, Cold Stone due to their significant closings), they all have inflated revenue projections in common but it has been rarely discussed until now.

If the SBA is exposed to more criticism they will have to find a scapegoat to attack and then change their rules (and their enforcement) to show that they are not part of any predatory lending.

This is a potentially major event for the franchise industry. Rumor has it that the SBA was investigating this matter even before the Cuppy's debacle, but the only news outlet to discuss this was the BMM story .

If franchisees start to compare notes as Oldsword suggests, this may become too large of an issue for the SBA and the oversight committees on the Hill to ignore.

Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400


Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Unfortunately, Franchisees are not intelligent enough to look by oldsword
Simply put, franchisees keep the old fallacy alive that it is the marketing or they are stuck buying product/machinery/manufactured goods from the franchisor at an inflated price (or so many other excuses as to why their business is not making money). If you can't find your keys what do you do? Retrace your steps!! You start from when you opened the door and go from there. We all opened the door with the numbers: do they make sense? Is this a viable business? And, most importantly, will I be able to make a living, especially given the investment at stake (basic risk/reward analysis)? From an SBA loan perspective it's simple: If you took out an SBA loan get your business plan out AND LOOK AT YOUR PROJECTIONS!! Most franchisees will see that they came no where near their first year projected gross revenue let alone net profit. (Paul, this is where we lose most zees because they don't understand P&L's - they leave that to an accountant). For my system, we all showed grossly inflated numbers on our SBA loan projections. For Cuppy's, same thing. The list of franchise systems with this problem goes on and on. The problem is that franchisees still want to think that the "system" was good to begin with but the franchisor is doing things to pull the rug from under them. The truth is they were never expected to make money in the first place. (Hell, they never qualified for the loan without the inflated projections.) In fact, the franchisor is fully aware that the franchisee will most likely lose tens to hundreds of thousands of additional dollars before they see any turnaround - if ever. Worst of all. The SBA is complicit in this fraud. They will continue to turn a blind eye so long as there is no groundswell of complaints. Franchisees have been too complacent and unwilling to get up off their asses to do the hard work and fight. (I will give them that in most cases it is because they are trying to save their businesses, homes and families from complete failure.)
Re: Forget the mole, become more vocal by Guest
on that subject. What about using the BCG figures and comparing them to the SBA loan figures that were done for TUPSS FRANCHISEE IN THE SAME TIME FRAME.?????? Would that uncover anything?????? just asking Maybe we could kill 2 birds with one stone??
Two important points - You don't need for the due diligence by RichardSolomon
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resource to be located in your country.

 

Most lawyers can't doesn't mean that no lawyers can.

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Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School


Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
But some lawyers will, and some lawyers won't? by simon young
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Sounds like you have the  makings of a good franchising ditty there Richard.
Some lawyers will, and some lawyers won't - by RichardSolomon
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And some lawyerrs go both ways.

You have to ask them what they can do,

To whom, with what, on which days.

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Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School


Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Say you will when you won't by Guest
na na honey don't!
SOP by Ray Borradale
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Standard Operating Procedures for franchisees and franchisors.  Richard is right as is Guest.

But to do nothing is to maintain the franchisors system of non-disclosure - churning.  People in such systems should not be doing nothing - they should either be creating a franchisee group power source or they could sell to one of those unsuspecting prospects for the greater economic good.  The cycle is maintained ...

The more things change; the more they stay the same.

Reliance on the Report by michael webster
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jd writes: "I looked at the 15 pages of report, and this is something that all franchisors should be doing. Why? Because they want to figure out what that 'goal' number is and try to get as many of the people to that goal as possible. is it something that needs to be shared with the franchisees? In my opinion, no."

Well, in Ontario if you were buying a UPS franchise or converting, you would want to know how many stores were not making a profit.  The report's details are arguably required to conform with the Ontario disclosure rules.

You should also wonder why the existence of this report was so strenuously denied by UPS.

Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"


Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"


Re; Reliance by jd
Michael, if this is arguably required to conform with the Ontario disclosure rules, then wouldn't most management meeting notes, gross sales, etc. be required as well? I see this as a management tool (I did something similar where i was at). I still don't get why the 'class' thinks this is a big smoking gun, since it was a report done after conversion. 15% of the franchisees weren't operating at a profit. What if they have something that states that 20% of MBE's in 2000 weren't operating at a profit?
Ontario Disclosure by michael webster
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jd; Ontario requires the disclosure of all information which is material to the purchase of a franchise.  An internal document which shows that most of the network is not profitable is material - whether a management tool or not.  

Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"


Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"


Smoking Gun--damage to parent corp credibility by Paul Steinberg
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JD: Your point and Michael's  as to the substantive issues are both well-taken.

As to "smoking gun" matters:

Not to be superficial here, but from a public relations standpoint it does not play well that UPS lied, and that is something which will have broader ramifications for the UPS public relations effort in the future.

Why Mr. Kolman did not correct the statement from headquarters or at least give them a heads-up as to the documents submitted to the court is no doubt a touchy subject right about now.

The UPS Store franchise is a pimple on the butt of UPS, run out of an office on the left coast. At some point, UPS needs to assess whether the incremental revenue is worth the hassle. If they are serious about integrating UPSS into their corporate strategy, then they should consider taking control of this mess and start by putting the UPSS honchos within supervisory range.

Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400


Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
I go with FedEx by Guest
UPS franchising may be a pimple on the ars of UPSS, but once I learned about the hearty screwing the UPS zees are getting I stopped using UPS and started using FedEx (that was three years ago). I refuse to support a company that lacks good business ethics. Also, I never miss an opportunity to tell others how franchising really works. It has saved literally hundreds of others from tossing their life savings away and making the mistake I was suckered into. I only recommend franchises that I know have integrity and treat their zees with respect. It's my favorite subject in fact. Ask anyone! They can't shut me up.
Public Relations by michael webster
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Paul writes: "Not to be superficial here, but from a public relations standpoint it does not play well that UPS lied, and that is something which will have broader ramifications for the UPS public relations effort in the future.

Why Mr. Kolman did not correct the statement from headquarters or at least give them a heads-up as to the documents submitted to the court is no doubt a touchy subject right about now."

Paul is right about this: the appearance of lying may well prove to a bigger problem for UPS than what was actually lied about.  Once the press senses that your public relations people will lie, your company is in for a great deal of skeptical reviews. 

Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"


Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"


BCG tipping point and target: Minimum zone of investment safety by Darnelle White
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JD writes, "this is something that all franchisors should be doing. Why? Because they want to figure out what that 'goal' number is and try to get as many of the people to that goal as possible. is it something that needs to be shared with the franchisees? In my opinion, no."
Well put. I completely agree. What do you make of the report's slides and numbers though? Unfortunately, these are just a few charts that the court has released of a much bigger report. I'm trying to make sense of the numbers in the BCG slides and charts. In particular, I'm wondering about the high target figures of why the franchisees are "at risk" for being below target when unprofitability is considerably less. The report calls it "tipping point" for the minimum and "true scale" for the target. I suspect that the framework for bottom and upper limit is a factor of whether they can sell the store. I would guess that the upper return on investment target is if a franchisee has to resell the unit for close to nothing and the bottom one is where they make little money on operating margins but sell the franchise at market price (if that's the case, good luck with that). In essence, it is a zone of ROI safety for the life of the investment. Anyone have any explanations or insights?
Darnelle, by jd
I think we are missing too much of the report to be able to properly analyze these 15 pages. What assumptions are being used to calculate the operating income? I would assume that the 'tipping point' might be a number to cover debt service, since i would imagine that it's not included in the operating number. But, i don't know without having the full report. Also looking at the one graph and seeing 6 stores that show operating losses of $111k+ makes me wonder how or why those stores would even be in business anymore. Makes me wonder if the numbers reported are 'incorrect' as well.
I agree with you jd by Guest
>>I think we are missing too much of the report to be able to properly analyze these 15 pages. What assumptions are being used to calculate the operating income? I would assume that the 'tipping point' might be a number to cover debt service, since i would imagine that it's not included in the operating number. But, i don't know without having the full report.<< We are missing too much of the report. We have to look at why it is missing. Was it because UPS doesn't want the real truth out there and has managed to hold back important parts? And as far the notion that the operating income goes, I know for a fact that MBE has always stated operating income as before debt service and owner compensation. I suspect BCG was told to do this in this case or fed information determined in this way. The normal way it is done in corporate accounting is not necessarily the way franchisors skew it. To really appreciate the ludicrous handling read a little further where they claim that a full time manager would only cost $15,000 a year. That is not even minimum wage in my area, much less the loaded cost with benefits, workmens comp, disability, unemployment and matching employees contribution to social security and medicare. At least the jury should now have something to look at that may raise more questions than it answers on the surface. The way UPS handled this does speak volumes.
BCG's numbers by Darnelle White
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JD writes, "I would assume that the 'tipping point' might be a number to cover debt service"
Yes. This would be one of the first things that the wiz kids at Boston Consulting Group would factor in as part of the investment safety zone between tipping point and target.
JD writes, "Also looking at the one graph and seeing 6 stores that show operating losses of $111k+ makes me wonder how or why those stores would even be in business anymore."
You are probably right. Those six stores probably aren't in business anymore. But 6 outliers in the 2500 stores of the survey looks reasonable. I suspect that these graphs are really for the large private equity fund investors and their ilk. This is just too sophisticated for most franchisor staff, the small mom & pop store operators, and their attorneys who are battling their lawsuits. (They rightfully will be uncomfortable with the numbers.) But it is exactly the kind of information that UPS would want in order to get a sense of the health and investment-worthiness of the network. They would want to know that beyond the financial statements of the franchisor.
BCG Report and Implications by jagsd01
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The tipping point on page 9 probably refers to "breakeven point", fully considering owner salary proxy amount, debt service and depreciation. Believe it or not, many franchisor's in house tracking systems excludes those numbers so their displays are mis-leading. Noteworthy that per page 9, 58% or 171 entities were below $400K or "tipping point". Also interesting that a $3M study didnt include ranges or senstivities for quantifying "recommendations that will add 110% to operating income". John A. Gordon www.pacificmanagementconsultinggroup.com Chain Restaurant Analyst

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John, by jd
we're only seeing a partial report. I'm sure that there are many more assumptions out there that we aren't seeing, which really means everyone is speculating on the 15 pages that we do have.
Crockett comment was a lie, too! by windwalker
Tom Crockett's comment, from the article and copied below, strongly implies that the Boston Consulting Group report is still a "work in progress, info to come." To date, to the best of my knowledge, NOT ONE IOTA OF INFORMATION FROM THIS REPORT HAS BEEN MADE AVAILABE TO THE FRANCHISEES BY UPS/MBE! Of course, now we don't have to guess why, do we? "The work should be completed in approximately six more weeks when a full slate of recommendations should be available. The results will be evaluated by MBE and UPS and plans of action developed to implement the selected recommendations. At that time, decisions will be made regarding how to communicate the findings."
Re: Crockett comment was a lie, too! by Guest
They released what they wanted under something Tide. Can't remember what that name was
Re: Re: Crockett comment was a lie, too! by Guest
rising tide
I vaguely remember something called "Rising Tide"... by windwalker
...but don't recall what relationship, if any, it had with the Boston Consulting Report.
Re: I vaguely remember something called "Rising Tide"... by Guest
In the end, BCG made some critical suggestions to MBE/UPS that BCG felt would assist in raising the STR and owner income levels. These suggestions were renamed in house (MBE) as Rising Tide. MBE was going to slowly roll out the suggestions, but that seems to have stopped. In other words, if MBE had to ever disclose the BCG documents, it looks real good on paper that they were trying to follow through with BCG's critical suggestions.
Rising Tide - What a crock by Guest
soon the emphasis shifted to statements such as "our same store sales are still down more than retail in general, but we are not as much more down as we were last quarter, we see green shoots". throw out enough manure and you might see something grow, but not if you smother it with more brown before it can really get going! keep in mind this operation is run by the pizza guy who thought it was ok to endanger lives to be able to crow about delivery in a half hour or less or two bucks off! Just my opinion of course!
Rising Tide - What a crock by Guest
soon the emphasis shifted to statements such as "our same store sales are still down more than retail in general, but we are not as much more down as we were last quarter, we see green shoots". throw out enough manure and you might see something grow, but not if you smother it with more brown before it can really get going! keep in mind this operation is run by the pizza guy who thought it was ok to endanger lives to be able to crow about delivery in a half hour or less or two bucks off!
Re: UPS Denies Existence of Feasibility Study, Now Unsealed as E by Guest
good job janet. I will be sending this to normie
Another franchisor trying to hide known earnings numbers by Guest
Sadly, Mail Boxes Etc. / The UPS Store is but one more example of a franchisor knowing what its franchisees earn but hiding or lying that they don't know in order to convince buyers that this dog can fly.
UPS has so much to answer for. by Guest
This is all so wrong. A blatant lie. UPS should be made to pay for deceiving and destroying the lives of so many people. Shocking 77% of franchisees are underperforming. Wow.
Norman Black, meet Stephen Caldeira by Paul Steinberg
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It amazes me that spokesmen for major corporations lie to the press about matters where documentary evidence exists.

A foolish thing to do with any reporter.

But to lie to a trade industry reporter who likely knows that the evidence exists is like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Don't let that grandmotherly appearance fool you Norman--she's been doing this for a long time and has a long memory and a big rolodex.

Norman, say hello to Stephen .

Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400


Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Re: UPS Denies Existence of Feasibility Study, Now Unsealed as E by Guest
How do you know Norman Black (or any other UPS'er for that matter) is lying? Their lips are moving! What I don't understand is that they keep sinking deeper and deeper, why drag it out and risk the damages becoming huge? Is their pride and arrogance so reckless?
Re: Re: UPS Denies Existence of Feasibility Study, Now Unsealed by Guest
Pride cometh before a fall, to think anyone could be smarter then they are. And the failure of trying to implement the corporate slave mentality into the franchise business. Take your pick. The real sadness here is not what this network now is but what it could have been.
norman black - corporate spokesperson ?????? by Guest
norman black, corporate spokesperson ???? this guy has to be the biggest idiot on the planet. why lie about something that is know to exist by anyone who is paying attention, especially the ups stores who paid for the study. this fool needs to be put under oath and asked to rethink his prior statements and maybe be TRUTHFUL this time around.
You must have never met Rich Halabrin by Guest
>>norman black, corporate spokesperson ???? this guy has to be the biggest idiot on the planet.<< but Norman is a close second!
First We Had Bagdad Bob............... by Guest
Now We Have Nonsense Norman
UPS and Black are exactly what is wrong with this country! by Guest
He knew exactly what he was doing with his destructive misinformation. Fn sleeze bag!

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