Unrelated comments under news stories will be either unpublished, spammed or moved to the ranting forum (you can thank TIF for that name). I will dump unrelated comments there in order to preserve this forum and its discussions.
As the moderator, I have been moving government regulation comments that aren't related to news stories here. Although no one has called me on it, there is a problem with this strategy that I have now come to realize.
Moving comments from other threads to this forum disturbs the natural discussion and debate that should take place here. It makes this forum less desirable for discussion. So in order to preserve this forum's discussion and debates, out of place blog and news story comments will only be placed in the Rantings forum.
The Ranting Forum was especially made for the Item 20 Ranter (sometimes called Carman). It is the only top to bottom rubber room on BMM and is a safe place fo the Item 20 Ranter to recklessly rant away without limit.
Submitted by Do Diligence on Wed, 2008/04/09 - 12:24.
buys a franchise they really need to study the world of franchising. When someone reads a UFOC without any knowledge of franchising it is hard to understand what the UFOC is saying.
After studying here and asking many guestions I am now reading our UFOC. I can understand alot more. It is easier to read after learning what franchising is all about.
Most people believe they are buying a system in business that is proven. Over a year ago I would believe this because of misleading things I have spotted on the UFOC.
Carman I am on item 20 and it is misleading people to believe they have many stores opening. Today only less than 25 (20) I believe is opened.
The risk factor was way more than anyone of us believed. Because the disclosures do not add up. But who would ever know until a year after we signed the franchise agreement?
If the disclosures were honest I believe none of us would of signed the agreement. Because if we were told about how many stores had closed at the time of the signing we would absolutely know the risk was too high. Plus if current phone numbers were given to us it would of allowed us to get a hold of these burnt zees.
The FTC Rule and the State UFOC's (FDD's) are a subsidy for franchisors and an ENTITLEMENT program. Apparently, territory protection for franchisees are a thing of the past and encroachment by franchisors on their franchisees is legal and rising within the industry. Don't know how McDonald's handles this in the saturated QSF sector but all new franchisees are in great danger from encroachment from their own franchisor and HIS competetors. Franchisors want to get "FAT" while making Americans fat. The quick food service market is saturated at the expense of franchisees who are the filling in the sandwich.
I'm not surprised that McDonalds owns most of the buildings and real estate that McDonalds franchisees lease from them because it makes the co-terminus default provisions of the franchise contracts l00% effective and they earn even more profits for their stockholders with their commercial real estate investments. As long as their franchisees have collateral, there is no way that McDonald's is going to lose, ever. At least, McDonald's, through this policy, ensures that their franchisees are in good locations. Quiznos appears to make money in the "location" business and this is another source of income for them.
I'm not angry at McDonald's. Up until a few years ago, I really didn't understand that McDonald's was owned by individual little franchisees and franchisee chains within the big golden arch. Like so many Americans and the Congress, apparently, I was taken in by the advertising and the hype and didn't really understand the exploitive business model and the franchisee-franchisor relationship that is intentionally blurred when advertising to the public. I assume McDonald's doesn't have to churn and turn to survive and that their first owners actually do survive with profits.
I think franchising needs to be exposed for what it is and that the government economists need to look at what franchising is doing to the economy in the long term.
Submitted by Do Diligence on Wed, 2008/04/09 - 16:52.
spouse dies within the 10year agreement you are still responsible. It amazes me that death does not void the contract. Does your children have to be responsible? And does that mean out of your estate the zor gets paid. Another reason not to sign a franchise agreement. Is that true in most franchise agreements? I wonder if McDonald's have that on their franchise agreement. Who would want to leave that responsibility to your children?
It is really a serious problem for franchisees. You are right, Due Diligence. There are EXPERTS in estate planing that deal with this problem in franchising and who have advertised on Blue Mau Mau.
Thanks for bringing this up. You have to be very healthy to be a franchisee. If you get sick and have to close up for more than 3 days (the term differs), your franchisor considers that you are in default. If you get sick and go home and close your doors because you are the only employee of the business, you have to get well within the time allowed in the contract, or you are in default and can be terminated. If you get called to serve your country, you are really in danger as demonstrated by the article in Franchise Times April edition.
How dare franchisees get sick and what kind of excuse is that to not deliver those gross sales for the franchisor. You own a businees of your own? that you owe on and your franchisor owns you and your gross sales under contract, Never forget that!
Submitted by Do Diligence on Wed, 2008/04/09 - 17:21.
we can't get sick. When you read the UFOC you can't believe how unrealistic it is. If only I studied here on BMM. By the way Rick Schaden is not mention in our UFOC. Most people that is listed are no longer with the company. Interesting.
Psychosis is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality." People suffering from it are said to be psychotic.
People experiencing psychosis may report hallucinations or delusional beliefs, and may exhibit personality changes and disorganized thinking. This may be accompanied by unusual or bizarre behaviour, as well as difficulty with social interaction and impairment in carrying out the activities of daily living.
A wide variety of nervous system stressors, both organic and functional, can cause a psychotic reaction. This has led to the belief that psychosis is the 'fever' of mental illness—a serious but nonspecific indicator.[1][2]
The psychotic individual who wrote the above Post must really be worried. I must be getting to him with my "insanity" and he would like to silence me. Instead of refuting my truth with his greater truth, he attacks me.
I'm happy that Mr. Blue Mau Mau will not give out my private information to angry people like this Poster who are really the dangerous in our society who hide behind their superior positions in the status quo and the law.
Submitted by Do Diligence on Wed, 2008/04/09 - 18:17.
one of the best posters on BMM. Then resgister so we can give you a name. For all we know you might be a Q corporate guy or a Cuppys corporate man. Or you just get paid well to get rid of us. Don't give it much thought because I know i won't be posting much in the future. I have to get back to working after of years of working when I want to. Franchising was the biggest mistake I have ever made. But if I had a good zor it might of turned out well.
Can't we just get along and you write what you want and we write what we want. That way BMM will be well balanced. Not one sided like the FDD/ UFOC.
No Carman, you (Do) and I can't get along since we will never agree that franchising is a force of good in the world and it greatly benefits franchisees, employees, consumers and franchisors.
Submitted by Tilden2700 on Thu, 2008/04/10 - 07:11.
I really want to learn all that I can about franchising. My husband just retired from the military and wants his own business. He isn't sure if he wants a franchise or not but I am on here trying to learn all I can and do not have a clue. Where do I start?
Your husband will be a target of franchisors who know that he will be eligible for a guaranteed loan under the SBA Pilot Express Loan initiative that was introduced in mid 2007. Your husband will also be eligible for a "military discount" on the franchise fee but don't let all of this fool you. Franchising could be the worst "tour of duty" your husband has ever experienced. Instead of buying an American Dream, you could be buhing the American Nightmare. The collateral you pledge for the loan, your house or savings, will be taken by the bank or the SBA if you fail.
Franchisors target retired military because they know they can work a long time, and maybe forever, for no pay or salary in a startup because of their retirement pay. Franchisors, of course, take their royalties on the gross sales of the business whether or not the business is operating at a loss, breakeven, or a profit. Franchisors hype the success of their so called "proven" plan and show you how their network has expanded but they don't talk about either success or failure of first-generation franchisees either in the UFOC (FDD) or the actual contract, in which, with your signature, you acknowledge that you are investing at 100% risk of failure. This state of affairs allows franchisors to sell franchises with very high failure rates of first-owners of the franchise out the front door as long as they can abet the fire sale of failed units out of the back door.
When their first-owner franchisees fail, most often this is not a failure for the franchisor because, in failure, because of the personal guarantees you will have signed to get the loans, and because of your personal guarantee on a lease, you will have to give your business away to a second-generation franchisee to get out from under the personal guarantees and save yourself from bankruptcy. If your debt is so large and this won't save you, you will then have to declare bankruptcy. If giving your business away to get out from under the lease does save you from bankruptcy, you will be servicing your debt and standing up the second-generation franchisee for many years to come. The second generation franchisee perhaps has a chance of bringing the unit to breakeven because he has greatly reduced risk and no or little debt to service, and generally reduced overhead (lower rent payments) and more time in which to increase the sales of the unit.
Franchisors are not required under law to disclose the actual performance statistics on a unit basis. Item 19 and Item 20 of the UFOC (FDD) are a government subsidy of franchising that permits franchisors to obscure and hide the rate of success and/or failure of the first owners of their franchises from new buyers and from the regulators, and from stockholders, as well. The government UFOC(FDD) is really just a license to sell franchises at any degree of risk under the law and accompanies a boilerplate adhesory contract wherein you will have to acknowledge that the franchisor didn't promise you success or profits and that you haven't relied on anything that isn't stated within the four corners of the contract. Franchisors can encroach, legally, upon their own franchisees unless the territorial rights are spelled out in the franchise agreement.
A franchise is NOT a business of your own. It is a contract to lease a brand name with finite terms in which the franchisee surrenders control of his assets and his business to the brand franchisor who CAN grow and remain viable even as substantial numbers of first-owner franchisees fail out of business. The franchisor has no investment in your business but he owns you and your gross sales under contract for ten years or more, depending on the contract, and this is "paper" that is bought and sold in the financial markets. Churning and turning of first owners of franchises is legal under current regulatory policy and the courts uphold the contract terms to which you will have agreed.
Many franchisees never earn any actual profits because of the thin profit margins in the sector they are interested in and the saturation of the market, and the fact that they have to pay a percentage of their gross sales in royalties and advertising fees, etc..to the franchisor for the entire term of the contract, and even in failure of the business. Any professional, a CPA, or an experienced franchise attorney, like Richard Solomon, of Franchise Remedies, or the resident business man and expert, FuwaFuwaFuwagi, of Blue Mau Mau, will tell you that rarely do the possible rewards of an "investment?" in a franchise justify the risk of the investment.
I speak from experience. Please be very careful with you future and don't let your NEED and your desire for income overcome your common sense. There is no government oversight of franchising ----just an appearance of government oversight. As a franchisee, you are merely a cheap source of labor and venture capital on which your franchisor can grow his system and his gross sales. The very nature of franchising enables abuse and exploitation. Don't let your franchisor trick you into believing that he can't make money unless you make money. Your franchisor is making money all of the time you are attempting to bring your business to breakeven, whether for a year or two, or even longer, depending upon how long you are willing to provide the capital to keep trying.
If this advice discourages you! Good! This is my intention and please warn other military personnel who will be the targets of franchisors because of the SBA Patriot Express Loan Initiative.
read all the franchisee tutorials - including the franchise fraud symposium articles.
That's your best starting point.--
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Submitted by Do Diligence on Wed, 2008/04/09 - 18:30.
of humble. I am sure it does not describe you!
Are you saying when ever you and your wife disagree it is impossible for you to get along. If that is so you might as well get those divorce papers started. And when your children grow up you might as well forget having a relationship with them because reality is you will never agree with anyone 100% of the time.
I'm not the smartest person, so perhaps the 2 of you could explain why you are having this discussion on the McDonald's / EEOC settlement thread instead of elsewhere on BMM.
Am I missing something, or are you simply so narcissistic that you must inject your views into every thread and since you have nothing on-topic to contribute here, you just want to make sure that we indulge your "ME ME ME" rudeness?
Paul Steinberg Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Heebie jeebies is also a term used to describe depression or anxiety. This can be as an after-effect of excessive alcohol intake (see Delirium tremens) or to describe a particular type of anxiety usually related to a particular person or place. For example 'He gives me the heebie jeebies' meaning 'He makes me uncomfortably nervous'.
Submitted by Do Diligence on Wed, 2008/04/09 - 19:13.
just learning lessons. One is to stay away from franchising unless you know 110% the zor really wants you to succeed. In ours everything points to they never wanted us to succeed.
Carman, if you don't like coterminus franchise agreements and leases as a franchisee which one do you prefer to be longer the term of franchise or the term of lease?
Would you sign a 15 year franchise with 5 year lease or a 15 year franchise agreement with a 5 year lease?
Carman, if you don't like coterminus franchise agreements and leases as a franchisee which one do you prefer to be longer the term of franchise or the term of lease?
Would you sign a 15 year franchise with 5 year lease or a 5 year franchise agreement with a 15 year lease?
Government Regulation Forum Being Unfairly Targeted
Unrelated comments under news stories will be either unpublished, spammed or moved to the ranting forum (you can thank TIF for that name). I will dump unrelated comments there in order to preserve this forum and its discussions.
As the moderator, I have been moving government regulation comments that aren't related to news stories here. Although no one has called me on it, there is a problem with this strategy that I have now come to realize.
Moving comments from other threads to this forum disturbs the natural discussion and debate that should take place here. It makes this forum less desirable for discussion. So in order to preserve this forum's discussion and debates, out of place blog and news story comments will only be placed in the Rantings forum.
Mr. Blue MauMau
Moderator
Thank Mr. Blue Maumau...
The Ranting Forum was especially made for the Item 20 Ranter (sometimes called Carman). It is the only top to bottom rubber room on BMM and is a safe place fo the Item 20 Ranter to recklessly rant away without limit.
The Truth Shall Set You Free!
TIF
I believe before someone
buys a franchise they really need to study the world of franchising. When someone reads a UFOC without any knowledge of franchising it is hard to understand what the UFOC is saying.
After studying here and asking many guestions I am now reading our UFOC. I can understand alot more. It is easier to read after learning what franchising is all about.
Most people believe they are buying a system in business that is proven. Over a year ago I would believe this because of misleading things I have spotted on the UFOC.
Carman I am on item 20 and it is misleading people to believe they have many stores opening. Today only less than 25 (20) I believe is opened.
The risk factor was way more than anyone of us believed. Because the disclosures do not add up. But who would ever know until a year after we signed the franchise agreement?
If the disclosures were honest I believe none of us would of signed the agreement. Because if we were told about how many stores had closed at the time of the signing we would absolutely know the risk was too high. Plus if current phone numbers were given to us it would of allowed us to get a hold of these burnt zees.
Franchising IS an Entitlement Program for Franchisors
The FTC Rule and the State UFOC's (FDD's) are a subsidy for franchisors and an ENTITLEMENT program. Apparently, territory protection for franchisees are a thing of the past and encroachment by franchisors on their franchisees is legal and rising within the industry. Don't know how McDonald's handles this in the saturated QSF sector but all new franchisees are in great danger from encroachment from their own franchisor and HIS competetors. Franchisors want to get "FAT" while making Americans fat. The quick food service market is saturated at the expense of franchisees who are the filling in the sandwich.
I'm not surprised that McDonalds owns most of the buildings and real estate that McDonalds franchisees lease from them because it makes the co-terminus default provisions of the franchise contracts l00% effective and they earn even more profits for their stockholders with their commercial real estate investments. As long as their franchisees have collateral, there is no way that McDonald's is going to lose, ever. At least, McDonald's, through this policy, ensures that their franchisees are in good locations. Quiznos appears to make money in the "location" business and this is another source of income for them.
I'm not angry at McDonald's. Up until a few years ago, I really didn't understand that McDonald's was owned by individual little franchisees and franchisee chains within the big golden arch. Like so many Americans and the Congress, apparently, I was taken in by the advertising and the hype and didn't really understand the exploitive business model and the franchisee-franchisor relationship that is intentionally blurred when advertising to the public. I assume McDonald's doesn't have to churn and turn to survive and that their first owners actually do survive with profits.
I think franchising needs to be exposed for what it is and that the government economists need to look at what franchising is doing to the economy in the long term.
Even if you and your
spouse dies within the 10year agreement you are still responsible. It amazes me that death does not void the contract. Does your children have to be responsible? And does that mean out of your estate the zor gets paid. Another reason not to sign a franchise agreement. Is that true in most franchise agreements? I wonder if McDonald's have that on their franchise agreement. Who would want to leave that responsibility to your children?
Franchisees can't DIE or GET SICKI
It is really a serious problem for franchisees. You are right, Due Diligence. There are EXPERTS in estate planing that deal with this problem in franchising and who have advertised on Blue Mau Mau.
Thanks for bringing this up. You have to be very healthy to be a franchisee. If you get sick and have to close up for more than 3 days (the term differs), your franchisor considers that you are in default. If you get sick and go home and close your doors because you are the only employee of the business, you have to get well within the time allowed in the contract, or you are in default and can be terminated. If you get called to serve your country, you are really in danger as demonstrated by the article in Franchise Times April edition.
How dare franchisees get sick and what kind of excuse is that to not deliver those gross sales for the franchisor. You own a businees of your own? that you owe on and your franchisor owns you and your gross sales under contract, Never forget that!
I didn't read that
we can't get sick. When you read the UFOC you can't believe how unrealistic it is. If only I studied here on BMM. By the way Rick Schaden is not mention in our UFOC. Most people that is listed are no longer with the company. Interesting.
Carman's Psychosis
Psychosis is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality." People suffering from it are said to be psychotic.
People experiencing psychosis may report hallucinations or delusional beliefs, and may exhibit personality changes and disorganized thinking. This may be accompanied by unusual or bizarre behaviour, as well as difficulty with social interaction and impairment in carrying out the activities of daily living.
A wide variety of nervous system stressors, both organic and functional, can cause a psychotic reaction. This has led to the belief that psychosis is the 'fever' of mental illness—a serious but nonspecific indicator.[1][2]
The psychosis of franchising must be catching
The psychotic individual who wrote the above Post must really be worried. I must be getting to him with my "insanity" and he would like to silence me. Instead of refuting my truth with his greater truth, he attacks me.
I'm happy that Mr. Blue Mau Mau will not give out my private information to angry people like this Poster who are really the dangerous in our society who hide behind their superior positions in the status quo and the law.
Carman you flatter yourself...
Truth! What truth? Your so-called "truth" has been denounced by the best posters on BMM.
Do you consider yourself
one of the best posters on BMM. Then resgister so we can give you a name. For all we know you might be a Q corporate guy or a Cuppys corporate man. Or you just get paid well to get rid of us. Don't give it much thought because I know i won't be posting much in the future. I have to get back to working after of years of working when I want to. Franchising was the biggest mistake I have ever made. But if I had a good zor it might of turned out well.
Can't we just get along and you write what you want and we write what we want. That way BMM will be well balanced. Not one sided like the FDD/ UFOC.
I am but a Humble Guest Poster...
No Carman, you (Do) and I can't get along since we will never agree that franchising is a force of good in the world and it greatly benefits franchisees, employees, consumers and franchisors.
Franchising
I really want to learn all that I can about franchising. My husband just retired from the military and wants his own business. He isn't sure if he wants a franchise or not but I am on here trying to learn all I can and do not have a clue. Where do I start?
Franchising ----Tilden ----- LET THE BUYER BEWARE
Your husband will be a target of franchisors who know that he will be eligible for a guaranteed loan under the SBA Pilot Express Loan initiative that was introduced in mid 2007. Your husband will also be eligible for a "military discount" on the franchise fee but don't let all of this fool you. Franchising could be the worst "tour of duty" your husband has ever experienced. Instead of buying an American Dream, you could be buhing the American Nightmare. The collateral you pledge for the loan, your house or savings, will be taken by the bank or the SBA if you fail.
Franchisors target retired military because they know they can work a long time, and maybe forever, for no pay or salary in a startup because of their retirement pay. Franchisors, of course, take their royalties on the gross sales of the business whether or not the business is operating at a loss, breakeven, or a profit. Franchisors hype the success of their so called "proven" plan and show you how their network has expanded but they don't talk about either success or failure of first-generation franchisees either in the UFOC (FDD) or the actual contract, in which, with your signature, you acknowledge that you are investing at 100% risk of failure. This state of affairs allows franchisors to sell franchises with very high failure rates of first-owners of the franchise out the front door as long as they can abet the fire sale of failed units out of the back door.
When their first-owner franchisees fail, most often this is not a failure for the franchisor because, in failure, because of the personal guarantees you will have signed to get the loans, and because of your personal guarantee on a lease, you will have to give your business away to a second-generation franchisee to get out from under the personal guarantees and save yourself from bankruptcy. If your debt is so large and this won't save you, you will then have to declare bankruptcy. If giving your business away to get out from under the lease does save you from bankruptcy, you will be servicing your debt and standing up the second-generation franchisee for many years to come. The second generation franchisee perhaps has a chance of bringing the unit to breakeven because he has greatly reduced risk and no or little debt to service, and generally reduced overhead (lower rent payments) and more time in which to increase the sales of the unit.
Franchisors are not required under law to disclose the actual performance statistics on a unit basis. Item 19 and Item 20 of the UFOC (FDD) are a government subsidy of franchising that permits franchisors to obscure and hide the rate of success and/or failure of the first owners of their franchises from new buyers and from the regulators, and from stockholders, as well. The government UFOC(FDD) is really just a license to sell franchises at any degree of risk under the law and accompanies a boilerplate adhesory contract wherein you will have to acknowledge that the franchisor didn't promise you success or profits and that you haven't relied on anything that isn't stated within the four corners of the contract. Franchisors can encroach, legally, upon their own franchisees unless the territorial rights are spelled out in the franchise agreement.
A franchise is NOT a business of your own. It is a contract to lease a brand name with finite terms in which the franchisee surrenders control of his assets and his business to the brand franchisor who CAN grow and remain viable even as substantial numbers of first-owner franchisees fail out of business. The franchisor has no investment in your business but he owns you and your gross sales under contract for ten years or more, depending on the contract, and this is "paper" that is bought and sold in the financial markets. Churning and turning of first owners of franchises is legal under current regulatory policy and the courts uphold the contract terms to which you will have agreed.
Many franchisees never earn any actual profits because of the thin profit margins in the sector they are interested in and the saturation of the market, and the fact that they have to pay a percentage of their gross sales in royalties and advertising fees, etc..to the franchisor for the entire term of the contract, and even in failure of the business. Any professional, a CPA, or an experienced franchise attorney, like Richard Solomon, of Franchise Remedies, or the resident business man and expert, FuwaFuwaFuwagi, of Blue Mau Mau, will tell you that rarely do the possible rewards of an "investment?" in a franchise justify the risk of the investment.
I speak from experience. Please be very careful with you future and don't let your NEED and your desire for income overcome your common sense. There is no government oversight of franchising ----just an appearance of government oversight. As a franchisee, you are merely a cheap source of labor and venture capital on which your franchisor can grow his system and his gross sales. The very nature of franchising enables abuse and exploitation. Don't let your franchisor trick you into believing that he can't make money unless you make money. Your franchisor is making money all of the time you are attempting to bring your business to breakeven, whether for a year or two, or even longer, depending upon how long you are willing to provide the capital to keep trying.
If this advice discourages you! Good! This is my intention and please warn other military personnel who will be the targets of franchisors because of the SBA Patriot Express Loan Initiative.
Go to my website and
read all the franchisee tutorials - including the franchise fraud symposium articles.
That's your best starting point.--
Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com, has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Thank you
Mr. Solomon. I will go to your website.
Give us the meaning
of humble. I am sure it does not describe you!
Are you saying when ever you and your wife disagree it is impossible for you to get along. If that is so you might as well get those divorce papers started. And when your children grow up you might as well forget having a relationship with them because reality is you will never agree with anyone 100% of the time.
Tilden & DoDil
I'm not the smartest person, so perhaps the 2 of you could explain why you are having this discussion on the McDonald's / EEOC settlement thread instead of elsewhere on BMM.
Am I missing something, or are you simply so narcissistic that you must inject your views into every thread and since you have nothing on-topic to contribute here, you just want to make sure that we indulge your "ME ME ME" rudeness?
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Rudeness
I do apologize if you thought that I was being rude. I am new to this website and only looking for some information on franchising. I am truly sorry
I swear you
just described you. Oh my God you just diagnosed your own illness
Evidence: Did you not ask me to crochet a chicken, car and bicycle? .
Your in trouble now
Mr. BMM is gonna be mad at you. I know you have the Heebie jeebies but posting 5 times in a row.
No I just caught a mild case of the Heebie Jeebies from Carman!
Heebie jeebies is also a term used to describe depression or anxiety. This can be as an after-effect of excessive alcohol intake (see Delirium tremens) or to describe a particular type of anxiety usually related to a particular person or place. For example 'He gives me the heebie jeebies' meaning 'He makes me uncomfortably nervous'.
There are no failures
just learning lessons. One is to stay away from franchising unless you know 110% the zor really wants you to succeed. In ours everything points to they never wanted us to succeed.
Do Diligence would you crochet me a bicycle?
I need to get to work.
Go!
Have a nice evening.
Do Diligence can you crochet me a chicken?
My family is hungry and a dingo ate my baby!
Darn
Dingo didn't eat you. Then we wouldn't have to put up with you kiddy comments.
Carman can build me a full size Michael Moore model...
I'll provide all the clay or lard!
Coterminus Franchise Agreements and Leases...
Carman, if you don't like coterminus franchise agreements and leases as a franchisee which one do you prefer to be longer the term of franchise or the term of lease?
Would you sign a 15 year franchise with 5 year lease or a 15 year franchise agreement with a 5 year lease?
Correction Carman - Coterminus Franchise Agreements and Leases
Carman, if you don't like coterminus franchise agreements and leases as a franchisee which one do you prefer to be longer the term of franchise or the term of lease?
Would you sign a 15 year franchise with 5 year lease or a 5 year franchise agreement with a 15 year lease?
Sorry Carman didn't want to confuse you.