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Franchisors, Franchisees at Odds Over Arbitration Fairness Act

The battle lines have been drawn with the proposed Arbitration Fairness Act of 2009 in both houses of Congress. Attorney Neal M. Eiseman, partner of Goetz Fitzpatrick law firm, has this excellent op-ed piece explaining both sides of the issue in the New York Law Journal ($$ subscription required).

The Arbitration Fairness Act is championed by consumer, employment and franchisee groups who advocate arbitration as a choice, not a mandate where consumers and franchisees are "strong-armed" into arbitrating disputes outside their state and into relinquishing the right to participate in class action lawsuits.

Public Citizen, a non-profit organization with 100,000 members which represents consumer interests issued a study concluding:

(i) corporations - not consumers - chose binding mandatory arbitration;

(ii) in more than 19,000 cases, 94.7 percent of the decisions were for business;

(iii) arbitrators have a strong financial incentive to rule in favor of the companies that file cases against consumers because they can make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year conducting arbitrations;

(iv) the National Arbitration Forum arbitrations were shrouded in secrecy with a lack of due process safeguards and

(v) the arbitrations often cost consumers more than had they proceeded in court.

Fearful that it will no longer have business, the American Arbitration Association on the other hand strongly opposes the act, stressing:

Its Institute for Legal Reform just released a poll stating that 71 percent of likely voters oppose removing arbitration agreements from consumer contracts and 82 percent prefer arbitration over litigation as a means to settle a serious dispute with a company.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the AAA stress that existing protocols can fix issues of unfair and mandatory binding arbitration clauses. The AAA says:

The protocols are designed to ensure that (i) arbitrators are truly neutral and make appropriate disclosures to ensure impartiality and (ii) the arbitration's cost, location, time-limits and access to information are "reasonable" to consumers.

However, a study by congress issued its findings of the shortcomings of the the modern application of the 1925 Federal Arbitration Act:

  1. The Federal Arbitration Act was intended to apply to disputes between commercial entities of generally similar sophistication and bargaining power.
  2. The series of U.S. Supreme Court decisions have changed the meaning of the act so that it now extends to disputes between parties of greatly disparate economic power.
  3. Private arbitration companies are sometimes under great pressure to devise systems that favor the corporate repeat players who decide whether those companies will receive their lucrative business.
  4. Mandatory arbitration undermines the development of public law for civil rights and consumer rights, because there is no meaningful judicial review of arbitrators' decisions.

The International Franchise Association opposes this bill. Franchisee groups such as the American Association of Franchisees and Dealers, the Coalition of Franchisee Associations and Dunkin’ Donuts Independent Franchise Owners supports it.

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Should we breach the separation of church and state? by Guest
A lofty question begs an answer... Is it morally right for our public courts to involve themselves in the contractually mandated arb-quisitions of the churches of the 94.7% righteous franchisors? After all, these arb-quisitions have proven to be extremely effective at punishing the rebellious and heretical franchisees and keeping their unholy franchisee sects from gaining any real power. And most important, they have served well to maintain the franchisors' profitable status quo. I can picture a day not far off when we won't have government courts or judges. The privatization of the justice system is well under way. The statistics clearly point the way.
Arbitration is bad for franchisees by Guest
While it may be cheaper to arbitrate, did you know that arbitration cases do no t have to be disclosed in the UFOC for prospective franchise buyers? That's why franchisors want to arbitrate. They don't want prospective buyers to find out information on the lawsuits that have been filed against them. Just another way to keep information away from the less powerful!
In Litigation the judge is paid by Barbara Jorgensen
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by the taxpayers,  In most cases a fleeced zee does not have the money to pay for a lawyer, arbitrator or American Arbitration Association's filing fees.  Is Arbitration cheaper?
Barbara Jorgensen Franchise Consultant by Joan of Arc
Barb - In the event you get someone to pay you to advise them in franchise matters you should in advance get some really good E&O Insurance and a good attorney to represent you.
I believe my blogging is my opinion by Barbara Jorgensen
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I have put in at least 3000 hours studying, talking to zees from different systems, talking to lawyers, going to the library of law books, looking up cases why zees loose in litigation.  Talking to zees who have gone to arbitration who have studied as much as I did. 

If someone came up to me for advice about franchising I would direct them to a franchise attorney. 

3000 hours is a lot of time by ElvisFan
If you actually spent anything near 3000 hours studying franchising and write the type of posts you write it would suggest you have learning disability or mildly retarded. In reading your posts I suspected you were a bit slow and angry, but given what you just wrote you may qualify for some sort of Government assistance or protection. You should check and see if your state offers contractual protection to developmentally disadvantaged adults. That may open a new avenue of recourse to you. God - please bless those who are "different" like our friend Do.
Why do zors or shills love to insult zees or former zees? by Barbara Jorgensen
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The zors who go out and hurt people are just as bad as rapist, molesters and serial killers.  Financial killers with no feelings.  No guilt, no conscience and  numb to what is right or wrong.  You know that type of person lives free at the cross bar hotel.   
Trolling by Darnelle White
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Barbara, Please stop. You aren't helping the discussion by saying that franchisors who take advantage of business relationships and contracts are the same as rapists and serial killers. Not only do you kill your own argument by saying this but your demonizing of the other side is without merit. Let's stop stoking the flame-wars that spark troll-like conversations.
Darnelle I respect what you have to say by Barbara Jorgensen
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You don't understand how much damage this type of business practices can do to families and our country.  Look at real estate, banks and other sectors of business.  Our unemployment rate is almost up to 10%.  Bad business practices hurt everyone.  The tax payers has had to bail out big businesses yet the CEO's still have been caught getting millions in bonuses.  The reason why we have rules and regulations is for the safety of our people.  Something has to change.  We have to go back to basics.  It starts with laws that protect the people from being thrown into poverty.  I have never seen our country in this bad of shape.  Anyone that premeditates hurting other people are not the type of people I want to do business with or want to have any relationship with.  I assure you Darnelle there are tens of thousands of people who believe as I stated above.   
Re: 3000 hours is a lot of time by Joan of Arc
While Barbara (aka Do Diligence) is difficult to converse with it serves no purpose to insult her. Let's stick to pointing out the folly and absurdity of her opinions and leave the personal attacks out of it.
It was not meant to be an insult by Elvisfan
Hold on a second Joan, I was being sincere. It never occurred to me before that Do might be "special". But now it all makes sense. If she is telling the truth maybe the zor did take advantage of someone who really is not in a position to make decisions mentally. Think about it, this explanation for her comments makes far more sense than most of what she writes. It fully explains her constant childlike comments about fairness and bad people. She may really have trouble seeing the world and things as anything other than black and white or right and wrong. It is very common with people who are "different" She really may be deserving of a lot more compassion and sympathy than anyone realized. I won't comment again, she really should be pitied. I feel sorry for her.
Give it a rest by Barbara Jorgensen
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People who read my comments and have experience in getting fleeced do not think I am childlike or stupid. 

The one's to be pitied are people who have no sense of right and wrong. 

I feel sorry for you folks who purposely go out and hurt people.  If you treat people like you do your zees I feel sorry for your families.  How can you possibly have feelings of loyalty if you think it is okay to hurt people period?  You have no sense of honor. You don't even know what character means.  No you are the one's to be pitied.     .   

wow - you ,may be right by Guest
Elvis, I think you are right. Look at the reply. The first sentence is similar to "my mommy says I am pretty". The second paragraph is the childlike "I am rubber you are glue". The third paragraph uses the infantile phrases like "treat people", "I feel sorry for". "hurt people", this is all emotional stuff children say and of course the last sentence is similar to "no - you are double stupid so nay-nay".
You don't think franchise fraud by Barbara Jorgensen
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is real.  It's all in my mind.  I'm living the aftermath of franchise fraud.  It is very real to my family and I.  ( And many tens of thousands of people in our country.)  That doesn't include the rest of the world. 

You don't want the gravy train stopped. 

A Texas billionare just got 250 years in prison for his ponzi scheme.  The people who were silenced by bribery are also in trouble.

you need help by Guest
Not everyone who disagrees with your view of how you wish life was is part of an international conspiracy. Where did anyone in this thread say franchise fraud does not exist? That statement only exists in what is obviously a paranoid personality dwelling in a mind of limited capacity. At this point you are harming your cause posting your emotional thoughts time and time again. To now proclaim your diligent study spans some 3000 hours illustrates the fact you have a real problem. You are trapped in a very unhealthy obsession. You really need help. Please reach out to a local mental health organization and ask to see a counselor.
Boy is your view blown out of porportion by Barbara Jorgensen
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I think the people who premeditate scams to rob people need professional help.  There were concrete reasons for studying that people who know me know what I was doing.  I am a very focused individual.  The case with Rich who won in court with Quiznos  the lawyers spend 1900 hours on that case.  Were they obsessed?  They had a job and did it.  I was doing a job of studying for a reason.  You zors do not want anyone to know the truth about how people get hurt in franchising because you want that gravy train keep bringing that money in from the hard working people of our country.so you can reap the benefits of other people' s blood, sweat and tears.  You enjoy the fruits of their labor and they are thrown into poverty.      

When it comes to hurting people you bet I will do anything I can to stop it.   

wrong again by Guest
The first problem you have dippityDo is I am not a zor - surprise. I don't work for a zor, heck I don't even know one. The second point is the lawyers got paid so they had a very lucrative reason to spend 1900 billable hours. The reason is $$$$! What a surprise. And here is something someone should tell you; you can't stop it. Besides the fact you are making a total ass of yourself by exhibiting a major case of meglomania you are a very poor instrument to carry your message because you are no longer a sympathetic enough of a character. You wore out the sympathy play long ago with what has become an obnoxious long running rant. At least I was honest with you. You are mentally ill. I am just someone interested in franchising - period. But you have problems that require professional help. It is sad that you think you have so many friends in this blog site and apparently nobody has told you that you obviously need help. You might ask yourself why? Most of the regulars have a very obvious agenda and you are the perfect instrument to allow them to market their services and promote their agenda. You do need help. Seriously get some counseling. By the way, your need to always get in the last word is simply another manifestation of your illness.
You know not what you talk about by Barbara Jorgensen
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How do you know I wasn't studying for $$$. Go back under your rock

I am for good business practices period. Haven't you read all the stories all over the internet about how families have been ruined in franchising. Are you just ignoring the bad?

By the way you are onoxious to me because you are ranting about me when all I am doing is hoping people who are looking for a good franchise system will find one.

 Are you saying to be normal you have to have an obvious agenda? My agenda is simple. I want the fleecing of the hard working people of our country to stop. I want franchising to be safe for everyone. I want those in franchise systems to be part of an association. I want people who are still in a bad franchise system and see and know that something is wrong to listen to their gut feelings. Have a back out plan. Actually they should have money put away before they open a franchise preparing for the worst case senerio. That means legal fees.

In fact I thought of another way a zee can protect themselves is keep a journal from the first time they seek a franchise. Every conversation take notes just for protection. Take that journal whenever you meet with any reps of the franchise. Every phone conversation, meeting, training sessions write what they say. If they tell you to stop writing. Tell them I always take notes and there is no where in the agreement that says I cannot take notes. I believe people need to protect themselves.

A digital tape recorder: the most useful Due Diligence tool? by Les Stewart
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Barbara, A journal is a very good idea, Barbara, btw. But I would go farther: Any franchisor or sales agent who is uncomfortable being taped during your conversations (esp. about earnings projections) does not deserve to be trusted once your life savings are trapped.
If they balk, You walk.
If the little girly-men squirm, you know by inference they'll be running under their lawyer's skirts when (not if) the *?it hits the fan. Les Stewart MBA FranchiseFool :: WikidFranchise.org
A digital tape rcorder by Barbara Jorgensen
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Great idea.  If they don't want you to record their conversations with you run like hell.
Digital laugh by Ray Borradale
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love it - can you imagine how many nervous sellers will be frisking prospects.  

'If they don't want you to record their conversations with you run like hell' - or I would also suspect a decilne to answer some of the most common questions.

I think a digital recorder would have to have instructions on how to anticipate and interpret reactions.  I have a great little one that comes with software for downloading and I believe it cost me $140.  One of the cheaper processes in the due diligence process. 

What a great show - I would go to one a day if the entry wasn't too expensive.  Love it ...  Why not digital video?   The police do it for minor offences and franchising isn't minor .... but it is offensive.

The more things change; the more they stay the same.

Re: You know not what you talk about by Guest
I guess guest was right you really do have a need to get the last word in. They are right about something else, I wonder what that could be?
Allow arbitration decisionsto be appealed by Guest
I suggest two changes to the arbitration laws: 1. Let either party in the dispute appeal the arbitrators decision to a formal court. 2. Make any franchisor who wishes to do business in a particular state resolve all arbitration and court cases in that state. In my opinion, these two changes would go a long way to solving the above mentioned problems.
Plus make arbitration by Barbara Jorgensen
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public knowledge. 
The AAA by Guest
has disclosed that in a poll of likely voters 71% oppose removing BMA from contracts while 82% perfer arbitration. Well that is what the AFA is all about. Giving people the choice. Those wanting arbitration in thier contracts or those who choose to arbtrate can have it. It is obvious that these numbers are skewed. I have yet to hear from anyone who was happy they were forced into arbitration. Why can't the AAA produce these happy arbitrating campers in any of the Hearings that are being held on the Hill? If so many people want to arbitrate, what would hold them back? Are these people so dumb, that they didn't realize they wanted to arbitrate until they were actually there? Is that what the AAA is saying, that they are saving people from them selves? If so, then they are a public service organization and should not be paid through private funds
Not all franchisees are in support of arbitration fairness act by Guest
Franchises are businesses. Aren't franchisees concerned that the arbitration fairness act will restrict a franchisee's ability to mandate that employees use arbitration? Or is the franchisee community divided into small mom & pop franchisees in opposition to mandatory arbitration clause and sophisticated, large franchisees who support mandatory arbitration?
What zees oppose the bill? by Paul Steinberg
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Most franchisees do not have arbitration clauses with their hamburger flippers and front desk clerks.

Also in matters of wage & hour disputes and unemployment claims which constitute the bulk of franchised-outlet employee disputes, the state government (usually the Dept of Labor) has an independent basis for action and they don't arbitrate bupkus.

Moreover, in the labor matters which have been the high-profile arbitration cases since the late 1980s, the courts have taken the position that an employee can just as effectively vindicate his statutory rights via the arbitral process as via the judicial process. This is demonstrably untrue given the court's position on the arbitratal tribunal's ability to ignore not only evidentiary and procedural rights but even to "manifestly disregard" the very statutes they are ostensibly vindicating. 

The problem here is that the current predominant arbitral jurisprudence is facially absurd, and rather than acknowledging that (and modifying lobbying positions accordingly) the AAA, IFA, and other such organizations continue to act as though the voters are incapable of seeing reality.

No doubt the IFA can get a few dozen franchisees to march around the Hill praising the wonders of mandatory arbitration; they can get a few dozen franchisees to praise the virtues of self-flagellation if they wanted (some on BMM might say the foregoing sentence is redundant). But I don't see any groundswell of support among franchisees in support of arbitration.

Frankly, I think that arbitration has been getting an undeservedly bad name recently. I use it in many of my contracts and while it is highly subject to abuse in adhesory contracts it is not per se a bad process.

In not being honest about the merits and demerits of arbitration and the potential for abuse, the big corporate interests such as the Chamber of Commerce and the IFA are missing a chance to salvage arbitration clauses.

There is a growing disconnect between a judiciary which wants to clear dockets so they can go home at 4:15 and a public and legislature which has seen arbitration morph over the last 25 years into something never envisioned when the FAA was originally passed.

Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400


Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Fact Check on the Arbitration Fairness Act by Guest
There are so many factual errors in this piece it's staggering. I'll limit myself to observing that there was no study by Congress on the alleged shortcomings of arbitration. The blog lifts this language directly from the "findings" section of the proposed bill (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.931:). The bill sponsor can draft the findings as they want, without any real fact finding involved. If the bill sponsor wants to say the sky is green in the bill's findings, he can...but it doesn't mean that the sky is green.
Picking your battles by Paul Steinberg
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The actual news article is a balanced presentation. The discussion above is not reflective of a more complete presentation of both sides of the debate as given by the author of the news article.

"Guest" is correct in that the "findings" section of a bill do NOT mean that there has been any study of anything by Congress.

I don't disagree with the "findings" of the proposed legislation; indeed I think they are difficult to argue with if one is familiar with the history of the FAA. However... it does not necessarily follow that the remedies proposed in the legislation are desirable, nor that the legislation will itself not cause further problems.

From a tactical standpoint, I think the IFA and AAA are making a mistake disputing the accuracy of the "findings" in order to make the case that the legislation is unnecessary. Points #1,3, and 4 are beyond reasonable dispute. If opposition to the legislation is truly predicated on arguing the "findings" then the IFA and AAA will lose.

Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400


Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Michael by Guest
You wanted to know where Jordon F. got her information regarding 94.7% of arbitrations are setteled in favor of the Companies, and not the little guy. Read this
94.7 Solution by michael webster
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Sorry, you must have misplaced your link.  I have read the above paper and references, and none of them support the 94.7 contention.

Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"


Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"


Re: 94.7 Solution by Guest
Do you mean to say that arbitrations are more fair or less fair than the claim that 94.7 of arbitrations are settled in favor of companies? Heck, I don't even understand the claim since a franchisee might be a company and franchisor is typically a company? What is this claim all about?
Many of the zees are told to incorporate by Barbara Jorgensen
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in order to purchase the franchise.  In reality a business liscence would be sufficient.  I believe the zors do this to their benefit to say zees are savvy business people.  When in fact many zees buy a franchise thinking they would get sound business advice.  There is no way a zee would sign a franchise agreement if they thought their zor was not on their side.  When the zee sees the scam it blows them away emotionally and financially.   
Re: Many of the zees are told to incorporate by Joan of Arc
Barb - Enough is enough already, there is no benefit to the franchisor for a franchisee to establish a entity (LLC, S-Corp or maybe even a C-Corp) for their franchise business and maybe even two entities if they own real estate as well. It is poppycock to say that franchisors have a sinister or diabolical reason for franchisees to incorporate to establish a veneer of "business savvyness" of the franchisee. Your notion is pure crap.
Joan, I agree. I don't by Guest
Joan, I agree. I don't believe the franchisee's establishment of a LLC or any other corporate entity helps the franchisor however it may help the zor do other things. You and I were going back and forth on the gross revenue story. Here, it is unequivocally beneficial for the zee to switch. It protects their home and other assets from lawsuits should the business be sued (although given that we are going to probably lose everything to the SBA anyway. . . but that is another story). In my case we had to sign the original documents as an individual so we could be held personally liable to the franchisor should the business fail early (a very common circumstance so the zor wants its claws in your finances). At that point when we signed personally I NEVER saw, NOR HEARD of, the General Release from Liability Agmt. However, once we submitted the paperwork to have the ownership changed to a LLC, miraculously, the General Release form was slipped in with a little sticky note, just like all the other forms that needed to be signed, that said "Sign Here". Essentially absolving them of ALL fraudulent statements, comments, etc. - such as earnings claims and inflated revenue numbers. Few if any of us realized we signed this thing. So it is convenient that the franchisor's sales person made it a point to get us to change over to a corporate entity. It enabled them to make sure we could never sue them. It is very slick and seems very "franchisorlike".
Re: Joan, I agree. I don't by Joan of Arc
Nothing nefarious about a franchisor requiring the parties to the franchise agreement to sign personally or guarantee the entity signing. And when you ask the franchisor to at a later date do an assignment of convenience for you the franchisee it seems altogether reasonable for the franchisor to get a release from the franchisee that in affect clears the decks.
Joan, I understand, by Guest
Joan, I understand, however, if everything was on the up and up, a General Release Form would not be needed. I worked in Financial Services for years dealing with some of the largest money managers in the country and we never needed to sign a General Release form between us. Then again, we worked on the honor system and never had a problem. That is not the case in the relationship between the franchisee and the franchisor. Your second sentence "And when you ask the franchisor to at a later date do an assignment of convenience for you the franchisee it seems altogether reasonable for the franchisor to get a release from the franchisee that in affect clears the decks." makes no sense. Why is it "reasonable" to clear the franchisor of anything when all they are doing is signing a few papers to assign the ownership of the franchise. We just paid the zor tens of thousands of dollars. Surely they can spend 10 minutes assigning the ownership without this. There is nothing reasonable about it. This is done very early in the relationship but, conveniently, AFTER the financing paperwork is done. It must be a coincidence, huh?
Re: Joan, I understand, by Joan of Arc
Essentially, if there is a problem when assignment for convenience is requested whether it is two weeks or five years after the franchise agreement was originally signed a franchisor wants any issue to be resolved at the time of the assignment or to end as an issue.
Joan, Again, I understand, by Guest
Joan, Again, I understand, given the fraudulent conveyance occurring in the franchise world that the franchisor would want to "put it all behind them" (after having stuck it in the behinds of the zee). But lets analyze this further shall we? You never questioned that this is happening which tells me it is a franchisor wide gimmick. It goes right along with telling a franchisee that they "are the only ones experiencing this difficulty/problem". Or that the reason why the zee is not successful is that they didn't do "x". (The Franchise Agmt is written so that it is impossible to follow to the "t". If the zee does 89 out of 90 items listed in the agmt but doesn't do the 90th one, the zor will tell the zee THAT is why you are not successful.) Or how the revenue numbers just happen to hit the requirements to get the loan. If I was a betting man, and I am, I would think that the franchisors are all being taught the same thing on how to beat the laws and shut the zees down. Perhaps a zor organization of some sort or zor lawyers. Either way, funny how you all do and say the same things. Seems almost like collusion to me.
As more people get hurt I am sure by Barbara Jorgensen
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there will be more bloggers.  Get use to it Joan.  Do all zors go to a school and teach fellow zors how to grow their businesses?  Everything the guest has rebut I could just writ ditto.  
Re: Joan, Again, I understand, by Joan of Arc
If I'm your landlord, you are my tenant and I amend (adding space, altering rent, etc...) your lease for you, I am going to get a release at that time to clear the decks! I want any problems resolved and not to fester or laid to rest. Get over yourself will you!
Re: Re: Joan, Again, I understand, by Guest
Again, no denial. All franchisors are taught to do the same thing. No arguments that it only happened to me, just you trying to stop the information from being laid out. If more franchisees opened up here we could paint a picture that would have different faces (zor owners) but all the same colors, shapes and background. The lies are established from above and all of you follow them. Keep up the good work, Joan.
Re: Re: Re: Joan, Again, I understand, by Joan of Arc
Releases are a common instrument and you can make up some foolish conspiracy if that's what floats your boat.
Joan, Its not the "common by Guest
Joan, Its not the "common instrument". Its the timing of when it is presented. Zees know they have to protect their families so they have to assign ownership regardless. Zors know the zees are seeking protection so they force the hand. You all have it laid out as to when and where, what to say and how to say it. It is all boilerplate and you all do and say the same things. It may be a "foolish conspiracy". But it is rather odd how the same timing, words and actions flow through all the zors.