Huis: A Solution for the Murky Waters of Franchising
On my last news assignment I had a sort of epiphany. The answer to the murky waters of buying and operating a franchise in America is the Chinese hui. That revelation came after a long drive with little sleep.
What is a hui, you ask?
A hui is a Chinese business association, a sort of Rotary Club on steroids of the kind that create the amazing Hulk. It is a local chamber of commerce that is restricted to one's own dialect and village area. Members know each other and their family back home. The object is to help one another get rich.
Discriminated against, and in hostile developing countries in which it was difficult to determine a good investment from a bad, overseas Chinese thrived through their huis.
"Phooey on hui. Who needs old huis in modern America any way?", you might ask.
We do. This little known type of organization may just offer the holy grail to the murky waters of knowing what franchise to buy.
I participated in a few hui business associations of overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia. I also saw the old hui meeting houses as a youth in Hawaii. Back then I called them "hooeys". Then as an adult I learned two dialects of Chinese and realized their proper pronunciation. In Cantonese—wui and in Mandarin it is hwei. The word connotes the act of meeting or associating. Sometimes it is translated as society, such as the Ming Lee Society.
There are the famous and mighty merchants of Chaozhou, a small region in Guangdong province, China. Then there are the Hui of Fujian, who were famous for their thriving business communities stretching far and wide outside of China. There were also the Sheunde overseas Chinese and so many more.
When there is a lack of a transparent market and where locals discriminated against the Chinese, the huis thrived. So much so that overseas Chinese dominated the business community throughout Southeast Asia, sometimes to the resentment of the locals.
Where basic information on earnings of a company and where bad behavior was easily swept under the rug to take advantage of the Chinese, huis excelled in giving their business members a leg up through better intelligence.
How?
Well, hui members are like family. A member might ask over a cup of tea in a round table discussion, "Ah-Chung, you have sources there, how much does this company really make?" Or he might query, "Aiyah, what is the real scoop about Gudang Garam tbk? I am thinking of partnering with them."
Fellow members would be brutally frank in their answer. There was little propaganda. After all, a job is just a job, but the hui consisted of family, your own unique language dialect (there are thousands) and one's own local culture and support structure. Giving out bad information for short-term gain was not worth the consequences.
The society would gradually gather terabytes of information (that's a lot in computer terms) that a lone investor would really not be able to discover on their own. Not in those environments.
The society took care of its own.
If a member gave out bad news, well, his reputation would shrink. If he gave out b.s. on purpose for his own short-term gain, he might be dinged something awful. Something terrible in such a small society. The management of reputation was taken seriously because the long-term repercussions for losing one's reputation impacted one's pocket. Business opportunities and support networks that were so needed in a hostile environment could dry up.
Turn now to the 21st century.
I have seen with my own eyes an independent franchisee association that has performed this same function. It is thriving and protecting its members, training them, gathering them in socials, and opening up investment opportunities. Its members seem to have a higher level of understanding of the playing field compared to those who are outside - of what companies are fair and a handle on how much can be made.
This organization is a modern hui and is an example of the potential power of an independent franchisee association. From small roots, they have now grown into a major supplier of investors and operators for an industry segment. (I won't name names here but you can bet I'll be looking more at them and others to report what I find.)
Enter another player, albeit one that is limited to information.There is a new technology that allows the networking and crowd sourcing of intelligence. It provides an online reputation management system just in case there are members of the club who want to give you bum propaganda. The new technology can include people from outside the same dialect and village. It is called a social networking platform for business.
We have a name for it—Blue MauMau. It is open to all.

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Huis
I am sure this will be interesting to read.
After my mistake with joining a particular franchise, I joined the franchise association, boy what an eye opener! You learn how to deal with the zors on a new level. You meet knew people and with that build great companionships and friendships.
Quiznos Franchisee
Say Hi at the International Franchise Expo
I am attending the International Franchise Expo in Washington, D.C. on Sunday. The show is the largest exhibit of franchisors. Many franchise buyers will be participating. I'll be the guy wearing the aloha shirt with the press badge. If you see me strolling the floors, please come over and say—"Mr. Blue MauMau." Don Sniegowski
Re: Say Hi at the International Franchise Expo
Don - Don't feel bad if no one rushes to say hello to at the IFE today.
BMM does not have credibility with franchisors since it is viewed primarily as an anti-franchising forum. And frankly Don you from what I can see you have just a couple of years in franchising yourself with one franchise concept.
So I guess speaking for myself you have not earned my respect and I am not inclined to seek you out at this time.
Best of luck to you!
Don's Background
That is not correct.
At Nike I worked at a high level with our largest accounts, franchisors, to lead those chains in their global expansion plans (Because of Nike's tremendous market power and influence, some might say more like clubbed them into action. When we said softly to jump, we had an army of sales persons and merchant advisors who worked with franchisors and their franchisees to get them to do a Michael Jordan style leap.) My job was to understand knowledge competencies and boost them in order that both our organization and the franchisor could support global retail initiatives. As our guest above points out, I have also led efforts of a quick print franchisor for two and a half years (development, operations, sub-franchising). Over the years I have also provided business consulting services to franchisors.
I believe such franchise experience is rare among reporters.
Although such experience is nice, it is not nearly as important as seeking out leaders in the industry and have them discuss important issues. In the upcoming months, our readers will find that the industry's captains will increasingly post and be quoted here.
Please Don...You boast!
Nike - As a supplier to franchisors! Come on that would be like some yoho at Sysco saying they know a great deal about franchising because they sell and deliver food/paper/supplies to franchisees. It's a bit of a stretch!
Don you have 2.5 years and I doubt you could secure a senior level position at a medium sized franchise company.
I'll speak up for Don
It's typical on all message boards (that will allow such nonsense) to find many 'guests' acting as Mickey Rivers clones. (If you don't get the reference, check out the old Yankee infielder famous for punching at a downed opponent from behind his teammates.)
Give it a rest 'guest'. I don't care if Sniegowski has just two and a half ‘days’ in franchising. He 'gets it' and he's doing something to help expose franchise problems as well as promote its positives. Care to contribute something of worth?
Nick Bibby is a franchise consultant and principal of the Bibby Group.
Mickey Rivers.
Rivers played centerfield. I idolized those 77/78 teams.
Don Boasting
Guest writes: "Don you have 2.5 years and I doubt you could secure a senior level position at a medium sized franchise company."
Well chuckle bunny, you ain't got nothing. No name, no internet franchise newspaper, nothing but air.
So why don't you run away and let the adults talk.
Michael Webster PhD LLB
Franchise News
Getting Through the Fog
Thanks everyone.
We are getting side-tracked. Frankly, I'm unimportant.
What is important is our conversation on huis; specifically, an online reputation management system to help us see through the fog of spin - to have franchise systems each listed (we have 2,400+ listed on Blue MauMau) and ranked, just like products are ranked in eBay, Amazon or cNet.
I could use everyone's input. If you have some thoughts, please click here to go to the forum discussion.
Irony ALERT
So an anonymous franchisor is withholding his or her blessing because there a few sour notes coming from the Blue MauMau choir?
I have always found it curious how an alleged $1trillion industry turns into Catholic high school girls over Mere Words. How can a couple or three "nutbars" (soon to be shown the door at BMM's gated community) cause such a fuss?
As if questioning certain reckless business practices makes you a blasphemer in the holy Church of the American Dream, Franchising division.
Cowards and black shirts, every one.
Les Stewart MBA
Understanding Franchising
Who Is This Guy?
Guest of Sun, 4/13,13:23, obviously you're not someone from the franchisee side of the industry, since we franchisees very much appreciate the information we get here, and if someone has had a bad experience with a franchisor, we want to know that too.
You don't sound like a franchisor either, unless it's one of those that people are staying away from in droves, in which case your focusing in on the unflattering statements about them is understandable.
You in fact sound like someone many of us know who has posted here often. Would your first name be a four-letter word starting with D? The same one who got hot under the collar when there were some postings about Cuppy's on BMM not only a couple of weeks ago, but a couple of years ago when the connection between Cuppy's, Java Jo'z and franchisees losing their deposits was spread all over the Internet?
We marks are glad for the information when someone goes on this site and warns us that people are losing substantial money in deposits through underhanded franchisor tactics. But I see where someone like you will call it "anti-franchising."
Who this guy isn't!
Guest in response to a post titled “Say Hi at the IFE”, you ask “Who is This Guy”, and then go on to insinuate that it might be me who made the post. No, I did not make the post. I have never found a need to hide behind anonymity when expressing my views on any given topic.
Although I am of the opinion that that much of the anonymous guest commentary posted here on BMM, comes from a “JADED” point of view, it is my hope that BMM will mature into a more fair and balanced resources for all who have an interest in franchising.
I did not attend the IFE show this year, but had I and had I seen Don S., I would have approached him with a handshake and a sincere hello. If he were to ask my opinion of BMM I would have given it to him. Although I personally I disagree with much of what is allowed to take place on BMM, I support his right to operate his business as he sees fit and to then allow the market to determine its success or failure.
The venue, frequency, or volume in which a person or group of people state that a particular person, entity or industry is bad, makes it no more true or less false. The childhood chant of “Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me”, is not true in business. Once a false statement is made, the damage is done, and many people may be hurt.
My advice to those writing is quite simple, attack the facts and or situation not the person or entity. More facts and less emotion is needed.
My advice to those reading is equally as simple, understand that hurting people say and do hurting things. Validate everything for yourself. Just because someone says something is good or bad does not make it so.
Believe & Succeed,
Dale
FranSynergy, Inc.
Synergizing Franchising!
www.fransynergy.com
I was the one
that used the words, "Sticks and stones." If you were paying close attention. I had a child of a zor or whoever goading me to reply. He was calling me names putting me down and wherever I wrote he followed me. Please pay attention to what is happening here. Zees and former zees get bashed constantly.
I only use childish talk with those that are childish.
While I think that everyone should register...
I don't agree that current and former franchisees get bashed constantly on BMM. The majority of negative posting is directed against franchising and franchisors.
Let's get rid of the guest posting and invite them to post anonymously with a pseudonym.
The Truth Shall Set You Free!
TIF
I absolutely
agree. I have just started on this website and I have noticed alot of talk about companies but they are written by GUEST. I am a nobody just looking to find out more about franchising and even I have noticed all the bad mouthing. I guess if you are logged in as a guest you will not get sued for what you say, but I for one take everything said by a GUEST with a grain of salt.
Guest Are Lowest in the Pecking Order
I am of the same opinion.
Once in a while a guest will posts and you can tell from their insights and point of view that they are a senior officer / CEO of a franchise. I take it that these guests do not want to be encumbered by the rigidity of using their real name, which automatically makes them an official spokesperson for their company.
Once in a while an anonymous owner will post with a complaint that is quite insightful.
I bet most readers understand why franchise owners have to post anonymously. Not because of any fear of defamation. There is none. But because of the ease in which their franchisor can terminate the owner's franchise.
IFE Show
Dear Guest,
You always have a friendly ear should you change your mind.
I had some good conversations with leaders in the industry at the International Franchise Expo today. Interviews and news stories will be coming out shortly when I return from Washington, D.C. and New York.
Stay tuned...
One last thing. There is just so much to report and so few resources to keep on top of the news. So it is quite a joy to read some of the news contributions of our members while I am on the road.
Huis and Chinese
I'd heard of huis and knew that Chinese were amazingly successful, being among the wealthiest businessmen of even Japan, the Philippines, other non-Chinese Asian countries and even here in the U.S., even though their numbers here are infinitesimal, at least up to now. But I had no idea of how they really operated until I read your article just now. And I thought I knew what huis were.
Come to think of it, Chinese in the U.S. have been making the headlines lately on a regular basis as working in sensitive U.S. industries and shipping sensitive technology to China, who pundits say wants to surpass the U.S. economically and militarily. From what I hear, China appeals to the patriotism of the Chinese here with access to military and high-tech information, and the Chinese feel that they need to answer the call of their mother country. I wonder if this ties in somehow with the huis? You know, so they can figure out how not to get caught. Not to mention stay here legally or illegally, although that part appears to be pretty easy.
But, getting back to business, these huis and how they operate are an eye opener. Very effective.
As a regular reader, Blue MauMau has been an eye opener. Definitely glad to be part of the group as a regular reader and occasional commentator. Never realized how franchisees, who I thought had a successful, independent business lifestyle, could become serfs through their sheer lack of information, which I used to think they got access to in some unknown way somehow. Although after attending a Quiznos recruitment meeting a few years ago, I wondered what the heck that way was. No, I didn’t buy, I felt like I just couldn’t get a grip on the real situation.
Since then, the BMM site has made me a much more effective businessman and way more alert to the ways of the all-too-common wolves out there. I expect it to save my bacon on a business arrangement I’m working on right now, working with known wolves, but necessary. Keep up the good work! I do my part by contributing some tidbit when I come across it or just communicating my take on things based on my many years in business. And thanks for the hui that this non-Chinese can participate in.
Very interesting
If people would help each other be successful, it would be a better world. It is net-working among themselves. I believe in business net-working for a common cause. Success. That is why I have never been burned financially ever until now.
There should be groups of people who are interested in franchising and helping each other check out different concepts. They could be partners in business. They could help develop a business, share in work time and someone would be marketing all of the time. The risk would be less.
As a group they could: (1) do due diligence, (2) finance the project, (3) be a support group, and (4) be accountable to each other.
Trust is an issue. Jealousy is also an issue.
It would have to be a group of people who sincerely want each other to be successful.