Investors Bankrupt as eBay Franchise Turns Into Nightmare
Website Tracks Stories of Sorrow From Failed iSoldIt Franchise Owners
MONROVIA, Calif - In Atlanta, GA, a couple uncovers a hidden world of corruption in the eBay drop-off store market, and in an effort to warn others of what appears to be “the perfect scam”, they launch a unique website of information.
Business partners, Karen McGinn and Gene Bowen, were the owners of one of the first eBay drop-off stores in the Atlanta area. In November 2005, they closed the store rather than continue to loose money. Suspecting the problem was not just them, the two hired an Atlanta attorney to help investigate the franchisor. Together, they found more than enough evidence to warrant litigation against iSold It, LLC, of Monrovia, CA, who advertises as the #1 franchisor of eBay drop-off stores and the #1 seller on eBay.
The Georgia coupled decided to investigate the drop-off store trend that was attracting so much media attention. What they found growing under the surface was ugly. iSold It and their competitors were in a race to sell franchises for a concept that was unproven and fatally flawed. Through apparent misrepresentation, iSold It claimed the #1 position by selling over 900 franchises. But less than 200 stores opened before troubled ones quietly started closing. Because of their inability to provide satisfactory software and accounting systems as promised, and through repeated FTC violations, iSold It, and similar franchisors, have multiple lawsuits pending.
Gene and Karen anticipated fellow franchisees might be going through some of the same problems they experienced. To help those already in business, and alert potential investors to the problems, they condensed the accumulated information and published it into a web site called amitheonlyone.org.
“We now appear to be the experts in the field and we hear from store owners all over the world about the problems they are having. Our web site is a lifesaver to many and we receive countless words of thanks and encouragement”, says Gene.
Since the site’s first appearance in the spring of 2006, Ms. McGinn has received calls and emails from franchisees, franchisors, reporters, and lawyers in various countries. She says, “Disenchanted drop-off store owners who read the information on our site are comforted by knowing they are not alone. Others, who visit the site, see different sides of the story from those claimed by franchisors’ ads and press releases."
“The effect that the eBay drop-off store concept and the franchisors have over people is incredible. The results are tragic. Unless more of the public is alerted, it will turn out to be the perfect scam.”
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How can you make money with an eBay dropoff franchise???
I've sold my share of stuffs on eBay and after paying the fees, spending 30 minutes on shipping, I was usually left with a few bucks.
Now, if you have to pay for the store rent, royalty fees, paying the acutal seller, I bet you end up with about 5% of the profit margin, which won't pay the kid's daycare, the gas for the Ford Explorer..........
I saw 2 eBay franchises open in my city in about a year and the 2 of them are already out of business.....
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Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Reverse the Onus: Dodgy (and getting more crooked) until proven Straight
1. What barriers are there to this innovative, selling into air type of franchising?
None.
2. Do you think that you will ever get any of your money back?
No.
3. Do you think that this pump-and-dump strategy is more or less lucrative than the slow and steady conventional type?
Much higher rate of return
4. Do you seen any obstacles in this happening to Vertical Market #2, #3, #4, (coffee, accounting, pizza) etc?
No.
5. Over time, do the voluntarily good franchisors RAISE the scanners' ethics?
No. [the reverse: the bad always drives out the good in business]
6. Do you think this will be the last time these specific predator franchisors strike?
No.
7. Do you think that they'll train and perfect this approach for their next escapade?
Yes.
8. Do you think it would be possible for them to pull this scam if their attorney [as an officer of the Court] was required to notify the authorities if s/he suspected a crime would be perpetrated?
No.
9. Would the scammers be enabled to do this if an attorney was forced to testify against their client [pierce the veil attorney privilege]?
No.
Conclusion
With greater experience over more vertical markets, the logical conclusion is that the incidence of opportunism is widespread in the franchise industry. It is an unwise market for small business investors because their capital can be stripped away without any effective oversight or barriers.
The industry would like you to believe that they are always a few bad apples in any barrel. Funny how they never want to define even how many franchised outlets are there in any jurisdiction. Want to know how many 1995 white Honda accords in Illinois there are? No problem.
A $1.5-trillion industry?...I think I had it written down somewhere. Must be in my other suit. +40 years of Pathetic, all around for anyone who believes numbers mean anything in the study of business administration or finance.
Ask yourself:
Les Stewart, MBA, Industry Analyst
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Wow!! The Internet is an amazing revolution.
Speaking of Franchise Times and fads, check out what they had to say about the proliferation of new franchisors at the IFA Convention a few months ago. A warning to anyone buying a franchise in the current "anything can be franchised" environment.
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Check out the archives at franchise-chat.com; this concept was throughly panned several years ago.
It also appears that iSoldit routinely made earnings claims in their telephone conference calls, which is at complete odds with their item 19 disclsoure. At least, that is what I am told by a former executive.
But the entire concept is a waste of time.
Michael Webster PhD LLB
Misleading Advertising Law
Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"
Joe:
Welcome to Bluemaumau, and thanks for sharing both your perspective on the opportunities which exist in the online auction arena, as well as the eAuction-Depot story.
I believe and encourage more leaders in the world of franchising to do as you've done, step forward and tell the story. After all isn't that the primary role of the CEO, to tell the story & then tell it again and again. Open forums like this are here, and here to stay, and as the saying goes, if you can't beat them --- join them.
Prior to the explosion of eBay related franchise concepts, I believed that there was an opportunity. I still believe that there's an opportunity. I also believe that many of the "Pioneers" grew too fast and have given the genre a black eye. As I'm sure you know, the time will come when you can no longer say "We've never had a store close". Extend that period for as long as you can, by focusing on support over franchise development 10 to 1. As the success stories continue to grow, so will the network.
I was not familiar with eAuction-Depot prior to your post. I would like to learn more, so that we are familiar with your concept if and when we have clients who are interested in this type of concept. If you would, please send me your basic franchise package along with a copy of your UFOC. Thanks again for sharing; I invite you to continue to do so. We need more participation from more franchisor executives.
Believe & Succeed,
Dale
FranSynergy, Inc.
Synergizing Franchising!
Believe & Succeed,
Dale
FranSynergy, Inc.
Synergizing Franchising!
www.fransynergy.com
Joseph,
I disagree with your statement that: "most of the time when a business fails it is due to the operator and not the business model."
Business models fail all the time: one - hour photo processing, bagel shops, flower shops, video rental business, are examples of a few. Markets change, competitors adapt. Big box stores enter the market. Locations loose viability.
In the examples above no matter how effective the operator is, no matter how much that operator followed the rules of the franchisor, those businesses are closing because the business model can no longer sustain profitability.
The number one problem with ebay drop off stores is that they rely on ebay! If ebay changes the rules the operator could be negatively effected. That is a big red flag. The reality is the business owner has little to no control over their future. That is not a business model worthy of anyones investment.
You may have never closed a store, but are they profitable? Do you make an item 19 earnings claim?
I have the similar concerns about the UPS store, ink cartridge refilling, Ice Cream Franchises that sell their product in supermarket channels, and othersJim Coen
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Jim Coen
877-469-3002
Blog: Lets Talk Franchising
Executive Director of the New England Franchise Association
President, Dunkin Donuts Independent Franchise Owners (DDIFO, Inc.)
That is quite often true of both franchised and non-franchised businesses. However, in the franchise industry: given the failure rate of franchise systems coupled with the fact that a limited number of systems have an inordinate amout of failures/turnover, Testino is not addressing the central premise of franchising which is that you are buying a "proven" business model.
In our article, we even cited cases of companies which couldn't make a nickel who turned to franchising as a way to make money from a failed business plan.
Finally, Testino gets points for candor with his comment about seeking out business. Many franchisor salespeople encourage this idea that you just hang up the magic Logo and customers will beat a path to your door.
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
While the total universe of pirates may be dwindling. Major league baseball teams ARE FRANCHISES. Notice the number of rostered players in the Pittsburgh Pirates organizatinon HAS BEEN SUSTAINED. While pirating itself as an independent business venture is dwindling, the Pittsburgh Pirates have sustained operations in a retracting market, making another compelling case for franchising.
But they suck. So my argument is weak.
Joe Mathews
Franchise Performance Group
Co-author Street Smart Franchising
Joe Mathews
Franchise Performance Group
Co-author Street Smart Franchising
Sources please. A link with the proof would be preferrable. Otherwise, you only make an empty accusation.
Frankman
Few people know what it takes to be a franchisor. If I were to ask you, the readers, "What does it take to be a franchisor?" what would you say?
I often ask this to franchisors and hear the following responses.
1. Proven business model
2. Replicatable system
3. Profitable business model, etc.
This is false.
It takes a UFOC. that's it. A UFOC.
Anyone with an idea and a UFOC can be a franchisor.
This seems twisted, but still the case. You don't have to make a compelling case to be a franchisors. You don't have to be capitalized properly. You don't need a profitable business model. You don't need a replicated business model. You don't need systems. You don't need anything other than an idea and a UFOC.
I Solid it fit the criteria. They never had a proven, replicable business model. They had a good idea which failed in the marketplace.
They knew how to hype franhcisees to invest money for the luxury of proving the business model for them.
Listen up. there are very low barriers to entry AS A FRANCHISOR.
Part of the problem are the consultants. I say NO to these projects. Many franchisors are very well intentioned, but also very clueless. Many inscrupulous consultants and attorneys will take their 100K and package them up to look credible without educating the franchisor one the risks and what they will potentially do to people's lives. One of the worst offenders is in jail, but still doing business.
There are many excellent opportunities who produce great returns for franchisees and who have proven, replicable business models. There are excellent franchisors. There are marginal franchisors, and there are incompetent franchisors.
The buyer must beware.
Some franchise buyers are more risk takers than others and will venture out to the more unproven models. They want to be leading edge, but become bleeding edge.
Here is my advice to buyers. Very simple
Only do business with competent franchisors who have demonstrated track record of helping people JUST LIKE YOU win ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITION OF WINNING. Very simple. Walk away from everyone else and cut through the hype.
Joe Mathews
Franchise Performance Group
Co-author Street Smart Franchising
Joe Mathews
Franchise Performance Group
Co-author Street Smart Franchising
I think it's the responsibility of the prospective franchisee to determine if they are working with a failed business model. No offense to the eauctiondepot pres., but if I read a story about the Isoldit company, I've gotta wonder if his model will work over time.
There are still people that come on forums like this saying, 'I'm thinking about buying a Quizno's', because of the name and visibility not realizing the troubles that stores/operators are having. Franchisors will sell and believe that their model is viable as long as someone will buy it, if no one buys it then I think that says something about their business model.
Do you see:
- the industry ever effectively self-policing or
- are the best & worst always going to be in the same boat?
I would caution that the market for ALL franchises would predictably collapse if information flows were improved via the information highway (Blue Mau Mau and others).Present Industry Trajectory
I would suggest that the franchise industry will not change and that the real and imagined past success will lead to an investment crisis (notwithstanding the industry's dogmatic denials to the contrary.
There are only so many groups of unwitting vets, immigrants, 401s, etc. to harvest.
Les Stewart, MBA :: industry analyst
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"The government apparently allows networks to hide their churning in the UFOC's through Item 20 which is an imprecise look at the network. Transferred stores are not identified as either successes or failures. Since the success or failure rate of the stores is the most important element on which to determine the risk factor for the franchisee, we have to kinow that these statistics are intentionaly imprecise with government's and the franchisors' knowledge that naive individuals will confuse visibility with viability and that churning will not be indentified in large networks that contribute to a healthy economy."
Since item 20 discloses all transfers, why not simply advise all potential franchisees to treat all transfers as failures? This would generate the most conservative basis from which to evaluate your chances of losing your entire investment. Or ask for the purchase and sale price for each transfer while doing your due diligence?
You have to do some analysis on the UFOC information to avoid falling for the Franchise Fraud trap.
Michael Webster PhD LLB
Misleading Advertising Law
Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"
As many have observed (most recently, Janet Sparks in the current issue of Franchise Times ), the IFA started admitting zees in the late 90s, and this was in direct response to the gathering momentum of the LaFalce and Coble-Conyers legislation. I'm not entirely convinced of Sparks' argument in her column this month; I would suggest that the IFA has been nudged into a more moderate and balanced position as a direct result of the IFA seeking to maintain some credibility with zees.
Another historical analogy would be in the securities industry, in particular the role of "penny stock" firms in NASD governance and how that role dramatically changed when the larger NASD members saw that it was in their own self-interest to boot the "penny stock" members out of leadership positions.
Bottom line is that self-regulation can be effective if the regulated parties perceive it to be in their economic interest to self-regulate. But the inherent conflict in any SRO (self-regulatory organization) will necessarily limit the effectiveness of self-regulation, and this suggests that an SRO which operates with government oversight (such as the NASD and NYSE with oversight by the SEC) is a plausible model for industry regulation.
Unfortunately, the IFA is not NASDR; and the FTC is not the SEC.
Whether the IFA could assume the role of an SRO is questionable: just look at why the NASD felt the need to set up NASDR as a separate entity and consider that there was a much more favorable environment for the NASD to self-regulate than there would be for the IFA. Whether the role of the FTC should change, and whether Congress would need to explicitly expand the mandate of the FTC, is a discussion for another thread.
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Les,
I don't see franchising as broken. I don't see it as disreputable (as the reputable far outweigh the disreputable in my 20-years experience) I see a normal bell-curve distribution of results among franchisors and franchisees. There are excellent, competent franchisors. There are marginal franchisors. There are incompetent franchisors. Even among competent franchisors there are incompetent franchisees who don't make it. That's the risk.
There is enough information in the marketplace (Street Smart Franchising as the latest example) which identify competent and excellent from incompetent, marginal, and poor franchisors.
Many of the incompetent and poor franchisors will transform and become excellent franchisors. Many will go away, taking the franchisees and their investment dollars with them.
The market will take care of it.
What concerns me is when the buyer ignores all the tell tale signs or does not educate himself or herself on what the tell tale signs of competency are.
The reason there are so many new, incompetent franchisors is that people buy new incompetent franchisors. People want new.
It isn't a secret these franchisors are new. It isn't a secret they don't have experience (item 2 in the UFOC), it isn't a secret they don't have many franchisees, it isn't a secret they don't have any or many corporate units....all this information is disclosed. It isn't a secret they are or aren't being sued. It isn't a secret whether or not they have had a bankrupcy in their past or if they have been arrested.
Les, The information isn't making a difference to many buyers.
Les, its like weight loss. 60% of Americans are overweight or obese. Why? Because they don't know that weight loss requires diet and exercise? Don't they know where they can find more information on the same? Is the USA, Canada and other countries is dire need of more diet book?
Or is the "knowing" just not making a difference? Are people just ignoring the knowledge.
Here is what it is to be a human being.
1. You know what to do (or you know how to find out)
2. You implement the knowledge, or...
3. You ignore the knowledge.
4. You pay taxes.
5. You die.
More knowledge is not the answer.
More regulations probably isn't the answer, unless you make it illegal to be human.
Personal responsibility (on the buyer, franchisor, and supplier side) is the best answer (in my opinion).
Joe Mathews
Franchise Performance Group
Co-author Street Smart Franchising
Joe Mathews
Franchise Performance Group
Co-author Street Smart Franchising
And while one might have correctly faulted the IFA for their sales pitch ten years ago, even Matt Shay has taken to giving cautionary quotes in his interviews. Les, I don't like franchisors selling garbage any more than you do. But Joe has a point: grown adults need to take some responsibility for their own actions.
The matter of negative externalities is a related but distinct issue, and while many zee-side advocates see another way to skin the cat, I do believe that zees need to make that as a separate argument; in my opinion it is actually a much stronger argument than the traditional "nanny state" argument, as you can see from Joe Matthews' cogent rebuttal to your earlier post.
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Joe, very well stated!
Thomas Tusser is credited with having first said, “A fool and his money are soon parted.”. Tusser, an English Farmer & writer was born and died in the 1500’s long before franchising was ever considered as a method of distribution.
When considering a ‘new’ franchise concept, one must remember that as a new concept it is a ‘new business’ and like any new business failure is a distinct possibility. Without debating the statistical accuracy or inaccuracy of business failure rates, or the relative elementary nature of the following, one may consider this equation:
(F’zor Startup * X) * (F’zee * Y) = S.
Where:
“X” = Independent Business Failure Rate, and
“Y” = Franchisee Failure Rate, and
“S” = Success Probability
So in a ‘New Concept’ one might anticipate the franchisor’s probability at 50% and the franchisees probability at 60% thereby creating a 30% overall success probability. As due diligence is completed one can increase or decrease the ‘X’ and ‘Y’ factors as needed based on results of such due diligence, i.e. if a franchisor has been in business for 10 years his likelihood of continued success would be greater than one who’s been in business for 10 months.
Bottom Line: in a given single event, the possible failure of the Zor increases the risk to the Zee, where the failure of a single Zee has minimal effect on the Zor.
Believe & Succeed,
Dale
FranSynergy, Inc.
Synergizing Franchising!
Believe & Succeed,
Dale
FranSynergy, Inc.
Synergizing Franchising!
www.fransynergy.com
As stated by sir guest:
The government appears not to be concerned if these big networks use their UFOC's as "a license to steal" because they don't read them anyway.
Unfortunately, a lot of times the prospective franchisee doesn't read the UFOC in it's entirety either, or doesn't understand it. If people are going to rely on Entrepreneur and AARP to do their due diligence for them, maybe they aren't ready to run their own business.
For example, look at the ISoldit UFOC, and you'll see that the system had 5/53/158 stores open in 2003/2004/2005, respectively. They had 22 leave the system in 2005. To me, that tells me things aren't going so well for the franchisees, when at best turning 14% of stores in less than two years. Also, look at their financials statements and they are spending like crazy, based on the capital contributed by their partners.
Now look at Entreprenuer 500, they went from 141 in '06 to 110 in '07. Looking at this would only would make you think that the franchise is viable and doing better than 07.
People have to do their own research and spend the time and money upfront to do it right. If you don't you could end up losing it in the business anyways. Use the 500 and AARP as a guide only to see what is out there, don't rely on it. Use the UFOC and franchise agreement to ask the right questions and feel good about your decision.
Joe,
You stated: "More knowledge is not the answer."
I think more information disclosure would be good for franchising.
Knowledge as defined by Merriam-Webster: "the fact or condition of knowing something with familiarity gained through experience or association."
The challenge a prospective franchisee has in investigating a franchise system is that all "knowledge" is not disclosed. Information is not always easily available.
Franchise development departments do not disclose the risk or estimated ROI. UFOC's are not required to disclose financial performance. Existing franchisees are not likely to make negative comments about the franchise or business model.
Where exactly is a prospective franchisee supposed to obtain "knowledge"?
The prospective franchisee is often at a distinct disadvantage when investigating a franchise system.
I'm not one to support regulation because regulation often impedes progress. I am one to support more disclosure. The revised FTC Franchise Rule takes a step towards more disclosure, unfortunately it stopped short of requiring financial disclosure in item 19.
I believe that requiring finacial disclosure such as ROI, etc. would separate the marginal business models from the legtimate ones, and make it harder for marginal franchise systems to make it to market.
Jim Coen
Email: Jim@franchiseperfection.com
Blog: Lets Talk Franchising
Jim Coen
877-469-3002
Blog: Lets Talk Franchising
Executive Director of the New England Franchise Association
President, Dunkin Donuts Independent Franchise Owners (DDIFO, Inc.)
The UFOC could contain the warning re item 20, but I doubt that it would make a difference to the average prospective franchisee.
On another board, there are questions about a system in which there is 35% turnover rate disclosed in the item 20.
Yet the individual in question still finds pluses about the system.
Oh well.
Michael Webster PhD LLB
Misleading Advertising Law
Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"
Parenthetically, Mr. MauMau used to gently remind me to hyperlink and even showed me how. You just highlight the text (as in the sentence above) and then there is a little button at the bottom of the screen you are typing your comment in: the button looks like a link (it is between the eraser icon and the broken link icon) and then click on that. Then you just use the cut and paste to put the destination website into the box, click "Insert" and voila!
Try it, it sounds complicated but it really is easy.
Paul Steinberg, Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Guest:
Your points are well taken, however for clarification --- when signing the UFOC, you're doing nothing more than acknowledging that you've received it. It is the agreement that will be the governing force of the relationship. With that said, the UFOC is an extremely valuable tool for evaluating the opportunity.
Perhaps the following information might be helpful for some. It is extracted from The Law & Your Franchise, a resource provided to each FranSynergy client and or subscriber.
When studying the UFOC, remember that it is prepared by the franchisor and that the information it contains is not verified by any state or by the Federal Trade Commission. In fact, it is not verified by anyone except the franchisor. This does not mean that the information misrepresents facts, that it is deceptive, or that it contains errors. This means that even when the UFOC has been filed with one or more states due to state filing requirements, no government agency nor any other entity than the franchisor is officially verifying or even acknowledging any information in the UFOC. The real purpose of the UFOC cover sheet is to inform you of this and to encourage you to do your own verification of the information contained in the UFOC. The real problem, though, is not whether the franchisor has been completely honest with the information in the UFOC. The real problem is whether the prospective franchisee actually takes the time and effort required to analyze the information in the UFOC in order to understand what it all means.
A prospective franchisee who has studied the UFOC may come to believe that they clearly and fully understand all they need to know to make the decision to become a franchisee. This understanding, together with education and business experience (along with entrepreneurial self-confidence) should indeed be enough to make a conditional decision. From a legal perspective it is a mistake to just sign the franchise agreement presented by the franchisor on the basis of analysis of the UFOC. The two documents have different legal purposes and each should be analyzed within the perspective of its particular purpose. The franchise agreement must be analyzed as carefully, critically, and as objectively as the UFOC:
The Legal Meaning of Signing the Franchise Agreement
When a franchise agreement (or any other contract or legal document) is signed, the signor is stating that:
If a dispute based on the franchise agreement finds its way before an arbitrator or a judge, it will be no defense to claim that something in the agreement was not understood or appreciated.
Believe & Succeed,
Dale
FranSynergy, Inc.
Synergizing Franchising!
Believe & Succeed,
Dale
FranSynergy, Inc.
Synergizing Franchising!
www.fransynergy.com