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Jim Amos - Tasti D-Lite, Mail Boxes Etc, UPS Store, Brice Foods
Submitted by H20Man on Sat, 2008/02/16 - 12:02.
Jim Amos continues his path in franchising. His newest venture is “Tasti D-Lite”. Taking a cursory overview of Item 2 in the F.O.C. reveals:
James H Amos, Jr
- Sona Medspa (Public Lawsuits filed)
- Mail Boxes Etc. / The UPS Store (Public Lawsuits Filed)
- Brice Foods / I Can’t Believe It’s Yogurt (Public Lawsuits Filed)
Peter D Holt
- 24Seven Vending (Venture Capitalist with former MBE Executive and former Sona Executive Kurt Schusterman)
- Mail Boxes Etc. / The UPS Store
- Brice Foods / I Can’t Believe It’s Yogurt
Patrick B Fox
- Sona Medspa
Mark R Liebal
- I Can’t Believe It’s Yogurt
Carlos J Martinez
- 24Seven Vending
- Mail Boxes Etc. / The UPS Store
*24Seven Vending eventually tried to get into the ATM business. If you were an MBE in the late 90’s, you will recall that corporate was trying to push ATM’s into the MBE Stores.
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You guys are Toast at Tasti D-Lite
Tasti D-Lite Banks on Its Fanatical Fans for Growth
Low-Calorie Dessert With New York Roots Is Going International
By ELLEN BYRON July 29, 2008, WSJ, Page B7
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WSJ Puff Piece
I read with horror the WSJ piece on Amos. I simply cannot imagine in these days how a reporter could put out such nonense, without even referring to this thread on Amos or this other thread on Amos.
I wrote the reporter to advise her that Amos has a very checkered background, at least from the franchisee's point of view.
But it is not acceptable for the WSJ to produce such puff pieces.
I shall write a letter to the Times. Oops, I already did.
Michael Webster PhD LLB
Franchise News
Re: WSJ Puff Piece
I just wrote the reporter also.
I just emailed all of this to 4 friends to do the same.
Everyone needs to write!
WSJ Link
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121729652087692073.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Perspective and Due Diligence
I want to thank you for your comments posted here. While doing my own due diligence I am finding conflicting perspectives with the viewpoints on this site. While your personal experience and positions are well taken into consideration, it would be irresponsible of me to ignore the weight of the credible sources that I have found which are providing me additional information.
The people quoted in this article have interesting things to say.
http://www.leadernetwork.org/jim_amos_october_06.htm
I don’t know if any of you served our country, but as a veteran myself, I found this interesting as well.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42373
Again I thank you as your postings have encouraged me to dig deeper and perhaps see a side of the story not represented here.
Jim Amos
Just read any of the blogs concerning Sona, MBE, UPS or Brice foods. As I understand he is headed back to court with the MBE lawsuit that has multiple franchisees involved. I also know for a fact that SONA paid a judgement in the amount of $400,000 to a franchise while under Jim Amos's leadership. From what I have read there has been litigation in every franchise that he has been involved in. We also have the next generation in the form of Heather Rose (daughter) who was involved in the SONA suit and was the Vice President of MBE (H/R) with no experience other than jobs provided by her father. I have also heard that he was instrumental in getting her a spot on the board of directors of which she has since resigned. Why dont you call some of the MBE/SONA franchisees who operated under his regime. There is heaps of information concerning the law suits and what there outcomes and links provided with detailed data. As far as my opinion I am just a little cautious of anyone who is to eager to inform anyone of their military exploits. Most of the men I served with consider that a very private matter. He is surrounded by cronies that have been with him in his other ventures. He is also quick to inform franchisees of his religous beliefs and how they are incorporated in his business/leadership platform. I would only suggest that you do more than just due diligence before entering any business relationship with Amos and that you have a highly capable franchise lawyer review any UFOC docs. Where there is smoke there is somtimes a forest fire.
The Exact Opposite of What is said!!
Having worked with Jim Amos directly in one of his many failed franchises. I can tell you what he says in terms of being an ethical, God fearing, Bible Thumping, Patriot is exactly the opposite of the way he acts towards franchisees. He lacks integrity, says what will serve his purposes only and often totally distorts or lies about the business matters at hand. Run the other way if he is involved with a franchise concept.
Dear Perspective
All I can say is the man may have mastered the art of finding ways to glorify himself. Now give me a trash can so I can vomit.
Run Michael and Paul, run...
All I can say is that you guys have rocked the franchise blog world, and I am hard to please.
Gump has nothing on either of you.
Nick Bibby is a franchise consultant and principal of the Bibby Group.
Heather Rose
This comment has been moved here.
I'll be there
vomiting with you.
Your are Kidding, Right
Guest writes: "While your personal experience and positions are well taken into consideration, it would be irresponsible of me to ignore the weight of the credible sources that I have found which are providing me additional information."
This is a joke, right. The word "credible" is ironic.
Michael Webster PhD LLB
Franchise News
I think
this is a prime example of what Richard, Michael, and Paul talk about when they tell a prospective franchisee that buying a certain franchise is a bad idea, but the prospective franchisee's mind is made up and they find reasons for justifying their purchase that has nothing to do with franchising.
The one above article has nothing to do with business, but it's helping this person justify that Amos is a good guy, and maybe he is to a lot of people, but what about the franchisees of his companies (past and present).
Wish you good luck in your future franchise purchase.
Amos' talents
If the Amos haigiography is indicative of his talents, let's just hope he doesn't make the marketing/advertising decisions.
On a related note, I have just been named one of Canada's "Most Incredibly Talented Franchise Attorneys" by LeaderNet Canada. I'm also in Who's Who in Brazilian Franchising (as soon as I send them the pre-publication price of $399.50 for the leatherbound set).
Have to go to church now, then it's off to the mosque and on to shabbos.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Amos & Tasti D-Lite.....
It's Only A Matter Of Time Until We All See PUBLIC LAW SUITS FILED...Just Take A Look At Amos & Co's Incredible Record Of Being Sued By The Franchisee's Of The Companies They Are Involved With....At Least Jimbo Is Consistant When It Comes To Being Sued!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The lawsuit that began them
The lawsuit that began them all resides in the Bexar County, TX court house.
It is open for public viewing :)
Jim Amos-Please Be Serious
Doing business with Amos ONCE was enough for me..NEVER NEVER WOULD I DO BUSINESS WITH AMOS OR HIS CRONIES EVER AGAIN>>>BUYER BEWARE
Need Link To Amos Lawsuit
We are a lazy bunch here pouring through oodles of information. How about providing a link to the lawsuit? Or at least a path of where to get it.
What About Darling Heather Rose....
She learned very very well from dear ol Daddy Amos..Dont even get me started on her!!
I am amazed!!!
How many people are getting hurt in the franchise world. The best thing people in our country could do is boy-cott all the companies that are hurting the people. I know the zee's will be hurt too. In my opinion they will eventually get hurt anyway. In our case I asked too many questions and the zor doesn't like people who ask too many questions. People who are out to buy a zee should ask many questions. Smart people do. That is why my zor didn't like me. Let alone pick up the phone when I called. If your prospective zor doesn't want to talk to you because of this do not sign. Don't get hurt like we did. Understand that crooks do not like being cornered. They just won't have anything to do with you. Once the trust is gone in any relationship it is gone for good. How can anyone promote the brand when they do not trust the company.
double post
Sorry, double post
Oh Juan!
The lawsuit is not online.
It resides in the basement of the warehouse
of the courthouse on fische.
I only have a hard copy of it, not on computer.
I will see if I can locate the appeal. I did have that on the computer
Juan, I attached the
Juan,
I attached the appeal (with highlights for ease) to the original post.
Enjoy!
JIM AMOS ????
He's not even worth wasting my time typing about..Buyer Beware with this guy
Re: What About Darling Heather Rose....
I am sure she will be along soon.
She usually follows dear ole dad by about 6-12 Months!
I Truely Feel Sorry For......
Every Tasti D-Lite Franchisee.Have You Tasti D-Lites hired your atty's yet???? REMEMBER YOU ARE DEALING WITH SOLDIER BOY AMOS..IF YOU FORGET THE PAST YOU ARE DOOMED TO RE-LIVE IT...CHECK OUT THE PAST FRANCHISE'S AMOS HAS BEEN SUED BY...HISTORY WLL REPEAT ITSELF WITH AMOS & CO..IT ALWAYS DOES...AND YES BUY BEWARE WITH THIS "FRANCHISOR"
SOUNDS LIKE YOU KNOW AMOS
And his merry little band of associates...I Feel Your Pain Like Many Many Others.
Amos is Master of Self Help Remedies to Help Himself
Yes, the MBE-UPS franchise agreement got the lowest rating from AAFD because they, as attorneys, could see the hidden terms in the contract in which the ZOR is premeditating taking over the business and the assets for nothing for second generation ZEES who might have a chance of getting to breakeven. There is no doubt that Jim Amos has survinved on the churning of the flesh of first-owners of his concepts.
I think it was Jim Amos who tried to get liquidated damages from a failing or failed ZEE in I Can't Believe It's Yogurt, but the court wouldn't let him but the Amos contract always prevents any viable exit strategy for the failing ZEE who becomes his premeditated victim when the concept is unviable and the franchisee is still losing thousands of dollars a year when they have exhausted predicted "startup" costs and still can't service their existing debt.
Talk to Mr. Coady of Sona Med Spa about Jim Amos. Think about all of the owners of The UPS Stores who lost their shirts, those UPS shirts, and their savings and their health and their houses. Think about the millions lost by professionals in the SonaMedSpa scam in which Mr. Amos was found guilty of just a little negligent misrepresentation, I believe. Mr. Amos is a highly respected member of the IFA. Does he still sit on their Board?
Don't be a tasty delight for Mr. Amos and stay far away from this new concept he is selling to the public with immunity and impunity under the ineffective regulation of franchising that exists today.
Let the buyer BEWARE!
Amos' problems at Brice
Thanks for attaching the appeal, and to take the time to highlight the important parts. It looks like the court judged that there was a conspiracy among Amos and some executives against a master franchise.
Darling Heather Rose
I would bet that she follows Jim over to Tasti. The only positions that she has held with him. The others are all from the same team, MBE, Sona and so on.
AMOS & FRANCHISING =
RUN IN THE OTHER DIRECTION AS FAST AS YOU CAN..THE OTHER POSTERS ARE CORRECT BUYER BEWARE WITH AMOS!!!!
Wait a minute!
Amos is in NYC. Andy Pettitte is in NYC...
I can see it now...a hair removal, yogurt and HgH injection spa...complete with bible study classes...
Heck, Aikman represents WingStop...maybe Clemens can join this group?
Ummph...just barfed in my mouth!
Not "soldier"
Not a soldier, a Marine.
But I agree with you about his past following him, which is why I'm surprised that anyone would put money into a venture in which he is involved.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Amos - True To His Character
It is refreshing to see the world of franchising is at long last awakening to Amos. He has remained true to his nature for decades.
No amount of his persistent self-promotion can mask his demonstrated lack of performance and inability to effectively lead virtually any organization with which he has been involved. He has left a bow-wake of damage in numerous companies, as demonstrated in the internal dissent he invariably creates within his staff, as well as within the franchisee network of any company he touches. Litigation and controversy follow him like old familiar friends. They are virtual trademarks of his involvement and his so-called leadership throughout his checkered tenure in franchising...almost as if to say, "Amos was here".
He is reminiscent of a televangelist who is attempting to masquerade as a businessman...in fact, he does neither very well. Beware of anyone who wraps themselves publicly in their religion and their country's flag. People of true character have nothing to do with such base behavior. Rather, they live out their lives quietly in line with their belief in God and country and with no regard whatsoever to using those beliefs as a platform to gain public credibility.
This individual is controversial for good reason. He is about form over substance, rhetoric over hard-work, self-interest over the interest of others. In modern parlance, when it comes to Amos, "It is all about me (meaning Amos)". He is no leader in any sense of the word and has long over-stayed his worth and welcome in franchising. He needs to, at long last, finally and permanently leave franchising. Likely, the venture capital company (which owns the majority interest in Tasty-D-Lite) will soon figure him out, as well...and hopefully show him the door. It would unquestionably be the right thing for all involved, most importantly the unsuspecting and trusting franchisees.
Explain?
So explain Michael Seid's apparent devotion to Amos?
Michael Webster PhD LLB
Franchise News
Amos a Marine
Amos was a Marine? Not in my Corps.I have never come into contact with a Marine Officer who did not display high character, honor and a sense of profound duty. It is hard for me to believe that a former Marine Officer would involve himself with anything that even had the scent of not being ethical or honest.
This Jim Amos Post
Is Right On The Money About Amos. There Is Nothing More Foolish Than Amos In Court Reading His Bible....This Is S.O.P. With Amos & Yes Buyer Beware With Amos & Crew
re: Michael Seid
Most likely because Seid knows him personally and likes him. Seid wouldn't be the first person who defended a friend even though the friend was a scuzzbag.
Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400
Amos --a Marine
I agree with your comment about Marines. I remember my brother, a Marine Raider, said that their officers really led them and got out and died with them on the battle fields and the beaches.
Perhaps, James Amos, when he became a business man and entered the franchise industry hoped that all of his concepts that he franchised and sold would be highly successful for the franchisees. And then, he learned that the reality of franchising is that you have to throw lots of seeds out there to qrow your network gross sales quickly and this means that you have to overseed and not all your seeds will germinate.
The Marines are about sacrifice and franchising is about sacrificing franchisees, when necessary, for profits for franchisors, and profits for franchisors stimulates the economy and helps the government.
James Amos may rationalize that he is still serving his country.
Semper Fidelis
You are competely correct. Unfortunately, this person has strayed very wide of the standards taught Marines and Marine officers, in particular. He long ago abandoned "Honor, Courage, Commitment" for personal gain and in particular, money...plain and simple.
The true test of a Marine is whether or not after leaving active duty, he/she continues on living their lives (both public and private) to the Corps' high standard of personal conduct and accountability. Most do and sadly, some do not.
Amos is a very sad, dramatic example of standards gone bad. For those who are Marines, we wince at the shame he has brought upon the Corps by his behavior. We particularly wish he would simply go away, never to be heard from again.
Amos And Tasti D-Lite
Tasti D-Lite is DOOMED...Sad To Say...Looks Like History Will Be Repeating Itself For The 4th Time...T.C.Y.B...M.B.E....Sona Medspa And Last But Not Least Tasti D-Lite Sad So Sad
Michael Seid and James Amos are Spoon Buddies
They both eat out of the same pot? They both have an interest in bringing franchising to Africa out of charity? They attend the same prayer meetings at the IFA? They have both become wealthy because of the franchise industry?
Still Puzzling
Seid isn't flake. No need to blind yourself to realization that Amos is one very weird dude.
Michael Webster PhD LLB
Franchise News
Wow Carman you are so insightful...
You have the ability of "second sight". You can tell what is in the heart of man you've never met.
P.S. Just for the record Jim Amos is a wreck of man and I have met him.
You're right - Semper Fi is indeed the issue
First, although he may have served in the Marine Corps, where is there any evidence of "always faithful" (Semper Fi) except to his bank account? No worthy Marine officer would dare do willing injustice to those who follow him.
Second, there is a claim that he received a Purple Heart, but why no accompanying valor decoration if the action was actual combat and not a John Kerry move?
Third, what was his 'specialy' - Supply, Motor Transport, Infantry? Big differences in roles and what is put on the line.
Heather Rose - The Apple Fell DIRECTLY Under The Tree
As to Amos' daughter, Heather Rose, she has followed her father from company to company, i.e., debacle to debacle. She, unfortunately, is a mirror image of her father, especially as to demonstrated lack of character and leadership inability. She is now, like her father, largely discredited and hopefully on her way out of franchising. But for her father arranging job after job for her, she would likely never have arisen much beyond a Director level in any company.
Spoon Buddies
Not buying that. Being wealthy doesn't mean that a) you are blind to dubious behaviour, and b) that there something immoral about winning the economic lottery. Check out Charlie Munger.
Michael Webster PhD LLB
Franchise News
Wreck of a Man
Guest writes: "Just for the record Jim Amos is a wreck of man and I have met him."
Can you shed any insight on why Michael Seid supports this "wreck of a man"?
Michael Webster PhD LLB
Franchise News
Yes, indeed.
I suspect if you could dial the clock back and speak with those Marines that served with and under him, you'd get an ear-full...people are whom they are and obviously, the Corps' values didn't take or sink-in on this character...by any means.
Amos a Marine
Maybe he got his Purple Heart from being fragged? I know at TBS they teach you duty, honor and country. What would Chesty think?