Potential Tasti D-Lite owner

Submitted by Estreet1994 on Wed, 2008/03/12 - 15:56.

I heard about Tasti D-Lite and was considering a franchise. While doing my reasearch, I came across some serious negative commetns about Jim Amos and his team. Wow!!!. I'm new at this short of thing so needless to say I was shocked and disappointed to see how easy it is to get burned. How can it be that a person with this track record is still allowed to be in the business. I haven't seen any futher comments about Tasti D-Lite or Jim Amos since 2/27. What happened to the communicaiton activity? Any new news??

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Perspective and Due Diligence

Submitted by Guest on Fri, 2008/04/11 - 08:27.

I want to thank you for your comments posted here. While doing my own due diligence I am finding conflicting perspectives with the viewpoints on this site. While your personal experience and positions are well taken into consideration, it would be irresponsible of me to ignore the weight of the credible sources that I have found which are providing me additional information.

The people quoted in this article have interesting things to say.

http://www.leadernetwork.org/jim_amos_october_06.htm

I don’t know if any of you served our country, but as a veteran myself, I found this interesting as well.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42373

Again I thank you as your postings have encouraged me to dig deeper and perhaps see a side of the story not represented here.

Amos and His Alleged "Good Works", Indeed!

Submitted by Guest on Sun, 2008/04/13 - 16:55.

There is an avalanche of first-hand information about Amos on this, as well as other franchise-related sites. He is constantly promoting himself in an attempt to either gain credibility or to repair past damage...or both. Thankfully, due to the availability of internet-based information, he is finally being "outed" as the incompetent predator that indeed he is. To be clear...he is not an authentic Marine in any sense of the word. Being a Marine is about much more than a title or having worn the uniform at one point in a person's life. Being a Marine is an ongoing, life-long commitment to living your life in an honorable, upright fashion...and never to the detriment to anyone, especially those you serve and whom depend upon you.
No amount of his effort to be around or lift up Vietnam veterans can off-set the incalculable damage he has visited upon franchisees who sadly depended upon him for competent leadership and guidance in building their businesses. His blemished record as a business and leadership failure, over and over again, is a matter of public record...in the books of companies like I Can't Beleive It's Yogurt, MBE, Sona Medspa and not too far off, Tasti D-Lite...unless those poor franchisees can pry his hands off their throats. Oh yes...there is the significant, well-known trail of litigation involving Amos directly from virtually every company he attempted to lead.

Now...anymore comments about his alleged "good works"?

Maybe we should

Submitted by Do Diligence on Sun, 2008/04/13 - 17:48.

start a hall of fame of bad zors with pictures of Amos, Rick, and who ever fits in their shoes.

I am afraid to know the whole truth. There might be more than we could imagine out there hurting people. It is depressing to think about it.

Let's change it

Submitted by Do Diligence on Mon, 2008/04/14 - 09:14.

from "Hall of Fame," to "Hall of Shame."

Knowledge Is Power

Submitted by Guest on Sun, 2008/04/13 - 19:09.

It is indeed depressing that there has been some very predatory behavior by some. Thankfully, they can no longer cause the havoc they've done in the past and so easily keep others in the dark, as news gets around a lot quicker and more effectively...so as to at least alert potential victims...like the current Tasti D-Lite situation. At least prospective/current franchisees can more easily access information via the internet...all good.

As you point out, there doubtless is much more on these classic characters (like Amos) that we don't know about. Likely he has his own internal hell to contend with on a daily basis (one can only hope as he is so completely deserving). On the other hand, like Paul Revere, we and others can speak up and sound the alarm to potential future victims that "Amos is coming" and to beware. There is power in the truth.

Amen to that

Submitted by Do Diligence on Sun, 2008/04/13 - 19:46.

That is the only reason I post here. If I have saved one person from financial hell I have accomplished what I set out to do. The key is warn the public about what franchising with bad zors are. There are unbearable consequenses if one doesn't do the right things to protect themselves.

I still believe franchising with the right zor could work. I have to believe there are good zors out there. We just happened to get in with very bad people.

The internet is fantastic. I haven't watch television in a long time. Plus the education you get is great..

 

Amos

Submitted by Guest on Thu, 2008/03/13 - 07:01.

Here is what you have to remember.
People are posting opinions about Amos, not "the truth."
People on this forum have a tendency to pit franchisees against franchisors, labeling the franchisor as the bad guy. You are not reading balanced feedback.
Keep digging.

If you information is consistent after consulting other sources of information, then run.

The Truth

Submitted by michael webster on Thu, 2008/03/13 - 07:56.

Guest writes:  People are posting opinions about Amos, not "the truth."

Uh, guest did you actually mean to put the words in quotes?

Michael Webster PhD LLB
Franchise News

If You Do Business With Amos

Submitted by Guest on Thu, 2008/03/13 - 08:28.

DO NOT BE SHOCKED OR SUPRISED WHEN YOU LOSE ALL OF YOUR $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.BUYER BEWARE..NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH SOMEONE WHO HIDES BEHIND A BIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amos and the Short End of the Stick

Submitted by Guest on Thu, 2008/03/13 - 08:41.

Anyone who deals with "Mr. Amos" will end up with nothing but "THE SHORT END OF THE STICK".Just check Amos's track record.He cant help but screw those he does business with..maybe its genetic!

Wrong.

Submitted by Guest on Thu, 2008/03/13 - 09:12.

Given the amount of hype passed as fact on commercial web sites whose raison d'etre is to push franchising, this site's musings are a perfect balance to whatever else you may come up with in your research via google.

Sleep Tight.

Are you INSANE? The things

Submitted by Guest on Thu, 2008/03/13 - 17:42.

Are you INSANE?

The things that have been posted are OPINIONS??
How about the Sona decision that says GUILTY
How about the I Can't Believe It's Yogurt decisions

Last time I checked, those are FACTS

A Spiritual Truth

Submitted by Guest on Mon, 2008/04/14 - 13:10.

For years Amos has, in bullying fashion, ridden roughshod over the heads and lives of employees and franchisees in various companies he has attempted to lead. What we are now witnessing is the fruition of a spiritual concept that a spiritually-led person (as Amos portrays himself to be) should understand well. For him the walls are indeed closing in...he has been found out.

As per his trademark...in giving neither justice nor mercy to others...so it shall and is being given unto him.

Amen and amen.

BUSINESS WITH AMOS=BAAAD NEWS

Submitted by Guest on Thu, 2008/03/13 - 08:31.

Aint it the truth...Yes he will take you like he has taken hundreds of others...Be Afraid...be very afraid of Amos & Co.

Re: The Truth

Submitted by Guest on Thu, 2008/03/13 - 11:09.

Sounds like he works for Dear Old Jim. Just walk into any Sona (if you can find one that is still open) or a UPS store and ask how they fill. I am sure that they will be the first to franchise with Tasti.

"the truth"

Submitted by Guest on Thu, 2008/03/13 - 14:22.

I meant to put the word in quotes. There are plenty of people who like the guy and support him with the same vigor as those who obviously despise him. So who is right? Obviously each thinks they have "the truth." but in reality, both sides simply have strong opinions. So who is right and who is wrong? Depends on which side you take. Objective people will dismiss both extreme positions and look for the consistency of information.

"The Truth" & Jim Amos/Heather Rose

Submitted by Guest on Thu, 2008/03/13 - 14:38.

SHOULD NEVER EVER BE PUT INTO THE SAME SENTENCE.THAT WOULD Be 2 OXIMORONs.....

The Objectivity of Truth

Submitted by michael webster on Thu, 2008/03/13 - 14:51.

Guest writes:  "I meant to put the word in quotes. There are plenty of people who like the guy and support him with the same vigor as those who obviously despise him. So who is right? "

Uh, any of the people who like the guy actually buy franchises from him? 

Michael Webster PhD LLB
Franchise News

Jim Amos and Heather Should Be In Jail

Submitted by Guest on Mon, 2008/03/31 - 18:03.

If any of the franchises they were involved with were public companies then both Jim and Heather would be in jail. The rules regarding public companies are much more stringent than those protecting franchisees. They have financially ruined hundreds if not thousands of franchisee families financially in all there franchise involvement --- I Can't Believe Its Yogurt, MailBoxes, etc. Sona Med Spa. To be one of their franchisees is to understand. They have cost these families in the hundreds of millions of dollsrs.

This Must Be Written By Peter Holt

Submitted by Guest on Sun, 2008/04/06 - 17:24.

Whom else but Peter Holt could turn such a blind-eye towards the like of Amos, for "Christ's" sake!

Get a GRIP and also get a therapist!

Legal basis of Amos claim

Submitted by Paul Steinberg on Tue, 2008/04/01 - 06:52.

Guest writes: If any of the franchises they were involved with were public companies then both Jim and Heather would be in jail. The rules regarding public companies are much more stringent than those protecting franchisees.

The second line I agree with as a factual matter (whether the relative statutory schemes are desirable is another matter).

But to assert that Amos has committed acts which would be criminal offenses at a public company is a serious accusation, and one which appears lacking in factual basis.

What specifically has Amos done which would be criminal?

Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400

Hitler was misunderstood

Submitted by Paul Steinberg on Sun, 2008/04/06 - 17:34.

Don't know who wrote the post about Amos, but he has a point. And did you know:

  • A lot of people loved Adolf Hitler.
  • A lot of people despised Adolf Hitler.
  • Neither group knew the "truth."
  • In reality, they both simply had strong opinions.

...this post is part of my continuing pet peeve about illogical BMM posts. As to Amos, the record speaks for itself.

Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400

Public Companies and Disclosure --Jim Amos

Submitted by Guest on Tue, 2008/04/01 - 08:03.

Obviously, franchising is regulated by the FTC instead of the SEC because franchisors don't have to disclose earnings information or performance statistics on a unit basis to new buyers of the franchises ---or to stockholders. Under SEC rules, this would be considered material information that would have to be disclosed to franchise buyers, wouldn't it?

Obviously, franchising was regulated, in premeditation, by the FTC to permit franchisors to sell franchises without disclosing earnings or unit performance statistics for the purpose of not disclosing the statistical risk of the investment to first owners of the franchise.

Franchisors can paint a pretty picture with system-wide sales statistics and ignore unit performance statistics in their financial reports. This, of course, allows them to churn first-generation franchisees and encroach, etc.., and this churning and encroaching doesn't turn up in the financials.

Franchisors like Jim Amos are aware that the law and the status quo surrounding franchising gives them immunity to sell franchises with very high risks and no profit potential for the ZEE to the public.

The status quo of regulation and the law emboldens the predators like Jim Amos who apparently don't lose even as a disproportionate number of first-owner franchisees lose their entire investments in "proven" concepts that may be proven only 40%, 50%, or 60% of the time, more or less! Who knows?

Well and artfully stated!

Submitted by Guest on Sun, 2008/04/06 - 17:50.

And on that same topic of Amos and Holt, has anyone heard how the plundering of Tasti D-Lite is going?

Heaven help those folks. They are going to go through an ordeal of ordeals...stand by to be "Amos-ed"!

"Unethical" is not "criminal"

Submitted by Paul Steinberg on Tue, 2008/04/01 - 10:10.

Guest wrote: Franchisors like Jim Amos are aware that the law and the status quo surrounding franchising gives them immunity to sell franchises

Assuming your observations to be true, this may be unethical. But it is not criminal, and much as I might agree with your assessment of the man, we should not accuse him of breaking the law just because we think he is a scuzzy human being. 

Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400

scussy, unethical, or illegal Ufoc--ing! (with a hard C)

Submitted by Guest on Tue, 2008/04/01 - 10:25.

Yes! You are right, Paul. Franchisors have the benefit in the law of being found guilty only of innocent "negligent misrepresentation" and not criminal intent in arbitration and in violation of the FDD/UFOC and franchisees really have been UFoc---ed by the appearance of regulation of franchising.

It is probably just unethical and not illegal for public franchisors to not disclose unit performance statistics to stock holders and to mislead with system performance statistics under regulation by the FTC, as well!

Carman the Item 20 Ranter is Right Once AGAIN!

Submitted by Guest on Tue, 2008/04/01 - 10:35.

Paul shows his intelectual inferiority when verbally battling Carman. Careman you are my hero!

Paul go back to school and get a real degree in something useful since the law is obviously not suited to you!

LoL

Submitted by Paul Steinberg on Tue, 2008/04/01 - 10:43.

LoL. (For those that didn't get the spoof, look at the spelling)

But seriously, folks like the Ranter are why Michael Webster is (in Frankman's words) "getting testy."

Much of the criticism of franchisors on this board relates not so much to legal issues as a failure to exercise some common sense in the pre-purchase phase. Another major reason is a fundamental psychological misconception of the risk involved in any business, franchised or not.

Paul Steinberg
Franchisee Attorney, New York City, Ph: 212-529-5400

Paul this is why I think it is time for your career change...

Submitted by Guest on Tue, 2008/04/01 - 10:55.

You go on and on about personal responsiblity, pre-purchase due diligence and blah, blah, blah-badah? I try to track your utterances and they simply don't make sense. There is no logic in what you say!

Do you really expect us to beleive that franchisees and prospective franchisees cannot rely on the government to protect us from those carpetbagging franchisors? The SEC protects us in stock purchases and so should the FTC in the same manner protect us in franchising!

Paul you have to get a grip man! You are going to go broke if you keep with this law gig of yours. Please think of your family and loved ones it is not only the negative economic implications that will befall you it is the embarrassment that your family and friends will have to endure. Think of them!

Paul get into a line of work that you are better suited to at least get by with and have a modicum of success above the poverty line.

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