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Guys and gals,

There is a time and place for everything. Comments under the news of Mr. Baber's demise should probably be focused on him and his family. So, I've started a thread discussing the Quizno's franchise concept in our forum area.

We are getting a high decibel level of vitriol from some disgruntled Quizno's owners. Arguments like, "Your quoted closure rates are incorrect, and you simply... are incorrect" do not hold much water. I'd like to think that we like to hear the facts and the whole picture here.

"If you go in for argument, take care of your temper. Your logic, if you have any, will take care of itself."  - Joseph Farrell 

Let me get the discussion rolling. We are franchise owners. We sometimes like to gripe about our franchisers (it's kind of healing) but...

1. We understand that failure and risk are part of every business, not just Quizno's. There ain't no such thing as a sure thing. How much risk? Well, there's a study in Blue MauMau's franchipedia (franchise encyclopedia) that collects failure rates of independent versus franchise businesses from various studies.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."  - Sir Winston Churchill

2. A case has not been persuasively made about why Quizno's sticks out in not having a viable franchise model. Let me give the Quizno's owners some help in their argument. TSFA has their own list of unprofitable Quizno's franchise rates that frankly, does not seem statistically robust to me. Here it is from an article that ran earlier...

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Quiznos coupons

What's all this hype with quiznos coupons

printable-coupons.blogspot.com/2006/04/quiznos-coupons.html

QUIZNOS Securitization (structured finance) via QFA Royalties

Hi All,
I'd like to be in touch with a current or ex-franchisee Quiznos concerning the class actions. As a French academic, I'm writing a paper about the dangers of royalties securitizations, especially on franchisee/licensee interests. Quiznos has launched one of them through QFA Royalties LLC in the beginning of 2005. It seems to me that the economic pressure that Quiznos put on its franchisee is largely caused by the multiplication of its own creditors. In fact, the affiliate QFA Royalties LLC has been set-up to securitize its royalties by issuing bonds which were subscribed by private equity investors. These ones became new lenders or creditors of the group. They needed to be paid (before 2025 apparently). What was the best solution than increasing the economic pressure on the franchisees to refund the bonds?
I'd like to get some feedbacks from you. I've read a few complaints before the courts, they just evoke implicitely a bit the securitization originated by Quiznos ; they deal more on the general business model through the web of 30' affiliales.
Any idea or info?
Thanks,
Alex

Response to Alex

Hi Alex,

This is a fascinating topic and I would be eager to speak to you about it. Please drop me a line at : fabien33@live.com

Regards,

Fabien

Another article

Sorry, try this link.

http://www.onenewspage.com/news/Business/20110110/18613521/What-Do-Mortgages-Madoff-And-Quiznos-Have-In.htm

Quiznos Corporate Lay-offs

Interesting article...house of cards is folding. Some of the corporate people will get to see what it is like to struggle to pay their bills or possibly lose their home!
Karma.

http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_17060944

I HOPE THE HOUSE OF CARDS

I HOPE THE HOUSE OF CARDS (QUIZNOS) FALLS HARD AND FAST............I HAVE HAD MY STORE OPEN FOR 1 1/2 YRS AND NOT TAKEN A PAYCHECK YET, BUT THEY HAVE CERTAINLY TAKEN PLENTY OF MONEY FROM ME............I AM CLOSING WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, GOOD RIDDENS Q, HOPE YOU DIE SOON

Fool you once, fool you twice....

Guest says: "I HAVE HAD MY STORE OPEN FOR 1 1/2 YRS AND NOT TAKEN A PAYCHECK YET, "

Looks like they have fooled you 18 times or more.  That's nuts.  Why did you keep banging your head against the wall for that long?  What did you think was going to get better?

Know more from you

Would like to speak
to you.
James

Another Quiznos article...

http://www.onenewspage.com/news/Business/20110110/18613521/What-Do-Mortgages-Madoff-And-Quiznos-Have-In.htm

Quiznos reopen deal, not such a deal

Considering an offer to reopen a Quiznos for $12,500? Consider:

1. Quiznos corporate gets 11% of gross.
2. Quiznos corporate makes money off sale of supplies to the stores. Store owners are required to purchase everything from Quiznos, often at higher prices than the same or better supplies are available locally.
3. Quiznos corporation conducts surprise audits to catch store owners who purchase supplies locally, and collects "fines" from the owners by withdrawing cash from the owner's bank account without explicit permission. (You will agree to this when you sign your lengthy Quiznos franchise agreement).
4. Quiznos corporate sets retail prices. Owners who charge more are fined.
5. Quiznos corporate conducts financial audits of owners periodically that result in more fines.

You are thinking Hey! I can get this Quiznos store and fixtures and get in business for only $12,500 - How can I lose? You can lose 60-70 hours of work every week, your entire working life. You will have to sign a lease, and the landlord will require you to pledge your personal assets against the lease. You can lose all of your non-exempt assets in bankruptcy when your are deep in debt to your landlord and Quiznos because the store revenue is not sufficient to pay the bills.

Quiznos cuts prices and issues coupons for free food in order to pump up volume to maximize profits for Quiznos Corporate at the expense of the store owner. This practice caused hundreds of Quiznos owners to go broke.

Still interested?

AS A CURRENT Q FRANCHISEE I

AS A CURRENT Q FRANCHISEE I SAY RUN FAST AND RUN FAR FROM QUIZNOS, THEY ARE LEECHES AND WILL SUCK YOU DRY (BROKE)

Guys Quiznos is now asking

Guys Quiznos is now asking Franchisee owner to take loan from them to help them meet the current operational cost

I own a quizos

If you want your finances and life ruined then you are a good candidate to own a Quiznos.

Quiznos

Good read here. I am interested in changing my line of work into Franchising. I love Quiznos taste and style of business. However, making a profit at what you do is also important and sounds like that is an issue. Do you current Quiznos owners think that corporate will get their act together and do some price cutting? Or is this price inflating a secret intent to be a fully corporate operating company?

NOT A CHANCE.........THEY ARE

NOT A CHANCE.........THEY ARE BLOODSUCKERS, IN IT JUST FOR THEIR PROFIT BECAUSE AS A FRANCHISEE YOU CANNOT MAKE ANY MONEY, THEY MAKE DAMN SURE OF THAT

WTF?

"Do you current Quiznos owners think that corporate will get their act together and do some price cutting? Or is this price inflating a secret intent to be a fully corporate operating company?"

Huh? WTF are you talking about?

Quiznos

Do you know if the Chicago lawsuit that was recently settled- Llene Siemer vs The Quiznos Franchise Company will allow you to close the store without the "hammer" from Quiznos?

I own a quizos

If you want your finances and life ruined then you are a good candidate to own a Quiznos.

new quiznos Deal

Guys.. what do you think about the new quiznos deal - It makes financial sense,

As many of you have stated - the reality is that these low margin, low sales volume businesses should not have significant debt burden and high rents..

We are thinking about the new quiznos program - with $12500, we get an opportunity to open a store, that has been closed..

There is a store that sits on a busy street that we would shop, I believe the previous owner had over $300K in debt, and his had his house foreclosed on..

I hate thinking about it like this, but it is one of those cases that his mis-fortune, may be someone elses gain..

The economy and over inflated values of 4-5 years ago, has really put those folks into trouble, however I feel that it has created opportunities for others..

the program works like this..
$12500 for new franchise,
Finance about $40K, with quiznos for store upgrade, working capital, inventory - etc... ($500 a month in loan payment)..
Open store... with rent no higher than $2500..

I mean - from an economics stand point - I have ran the numbers, looks good..

I am curious to hear comments that are based purely on this scenerio - not a scenerio that is over
$100K of investment by the owner, and a $200K loan..

thanks

quiznos questions.

New Quiznos deal

Dont think just because you are getting a closed store at a reduced price and franchise fee that somehow you are going to turn that location around. More then likely the reputation of that location has already been compromised do to the frustrations the prior franchisee suffered. I sold my store in 2001 after just one year of operation realizing just how stacked the odds were against me. My wife and I worked 60-70 hours a week and although we did make a small profit from sales and broke even on the sale of the store, it was the most horrorible year of our life. In the next nine years five other owners found out what we did (even at the bargain prices they paid) if there is no real profit margin you simply cannot make a profit. The store closed for good in 2011. Don't be another Quiznos sucker.

Quiznos Reopen Deal

We have the "Quiznos Reopen Deal" in our area also, for quite a few locations. I would like to know if you have invested in a Quiznos Reopen, or known anyone that has, and how it went?

Re: New Quiznos deal

Run these numbers in your spreadsheet. If you made $200k the first year, $275k the second, and build up to $320 for every year after that, adjusting for the cost of inflation.

To be conservative, estimate that you will sell your store in five years at the same price that the previous owner received.

Where do those numbers put you for your break-even point and a return on investment? Please report.

Wow!

QG says: "Run these numbers in your spreadsheet. If you made $200k the first year, $275k the second, and build up to $320 for every year after that"

A Quiznos makes that much profit?

Holy shite, for only $12,500 going in, I'd better buy a few!

go for it

and don't say you wern't warned.....really

My thoughts

You will work or die paying these basterds every week and every month and never make any money.

Run as fast as you can..

Or better open your own restaurant and not pay them a dime.

Your food costs,labor,rent,electricity,taxes etc etc

Keep the money in your pocket.

Why do you think thousands of q's have closed??

ask the owner of the eight

ask the owner of the eight stores in ct. he got them dirt cheap and now is suing quiznos and trying to get out. Run

$12500-?

Well my friend here someone's loss is other's gain but franchise is winning from both side. Previous owner had lost his investment in business he thought would make good living and raise his children give them some what better education and now lost everything as well his home, company new they are not capable of running franchise the way they should even though they are willing to go to court and take mans home. And now your idea to get another 12500 to franchise and start new contract for the company. Are you working for franchise, or are you really out their to help new prospective owners. I think if you have good knowledge about this business you should be helping new could be owners to get into closed quiznos for nothing nada zip the company had made enough dough from previous owner if they want to stay in business they need to find new owners help them get on their feet make business profitable and then when quizno can make royalty, not till then. So what u say can one knowledgeable person draw something up.
Ozarkis

got a live one here

" I think if you have good knowledge about this business you should be helping new could be owners to get into closed quiznos for nothing nada zip the company had made enough dough from previous owner if they want to stay in business they need to find new owners help them get on their feet make business profitable and then when quizno can make royalty, not till then. So what u say can one knowledgeable person draw something up.
Ozarkis"

Maybe this guy is a future Q Zee, LOL!!!

Run

Run very far from this offer. This company is in trouble.

at those numbers...

Buy it cheap enough and you may be able to buy yourself a job.  I find it significant that most Qs are owned by single-store operators.  This suggests that as a BUSINESS, these don't have much business profit, more like the Owner and family working behind the counter and getting paid for their labor.  If these things were profitable businesses, people would tend to buy up mutiple units.

new quiznos Deal

I am just starting to talk with Quiznos regarding this new Re-Open deal too. I am a first time franchise potential owner, so any feed back with this thread would be helpful.

Newbie

Don't do it.....corporate has

Don't do it.....corporate has ruined so many peoples lives. If you want to work many hours for nothing..go for it!
Talk to other owners. I had 2 stores, had to file bankruptcy. I have met many other owners..nobody is making $$$. Please think twice!

Meyers is a founder of

Meyers is a founder of Quiznos, the second-largest sandwich chain in the United States. Launched in Denver during the early 1980s, Quiznos grew from 18 units in 1990 to 40 in 1993, when the company went public. Quiznos’ founders took the company private in 2001 at 1,400 units, and it has since grown to over 5,000 restaurants in the U.S., Canada, and other countries. The chain is all franchised, with the majority of franchisees being single-unit owner-operators. 642-901 Meyers has helped drive Quiznos’ growth through his service in a range of leadership positions. At various times since its founding, he has led the company’s Finance, Information Technology, Human Resources and Law functions. He is also a member of the Board of Directors. 642-812 Under Meyers’ lead, Quiznos has earned tremendous recognition for its growth and innovation. For five years in a row, Nation’s Restaurant News has ranked Quiznos as the top restaurant chain in growth in number of units. In the Mystery Shopping Providers Association’s 2007 Wait Time Study, N10-004 Quiznos led the quick-service restaurant industry in wait time performance. And in a recent Zagat’s restaurant study, Quiznos ranked in the top five in food, facilities, service and overall quality.

Why are thousand of stores

Why are thousand of stores closing? Why are so many franchise owners losing everything? Why all the class action lawsuits?

Meyer is a founder of/Quiznos' Top 100 ranking

<< For five years in a row, Nation’s Restaurant News has ranked Quiznos as the top restaurant chain in growth in number of units.>>

Just wanted to note that this information is dated. The last time Quiznos ranked No. 1 in domestic unit growth in the Nation's Restaurant News Top 100 was in the 2006 report reflecting fiscal 2005 results. Quiznos last posted year-over-year growth in U.S. unit counts for the fiscal year ended in 2007, when it increased its store count by 1.31 percent.

Quality Food Has No Place At Quiznos

In his Deposition at a recent trial involving a Q franchisee, Qtard VP Mike Manning said Q serves Cutter quality beef. Below is the list of beef quality, from the top cut to the dog food. Can you guess what grade of meat Quiznos FORCES franchisees to sell? Yup, Q is selling dog food quality "Prime" Rib/Beef to Q franchisees, and at US Prime prices. So it's the franchisees at fault for lousy sales and restaurant closings? The next time Q tries that lie you'll know the truth.

My big question is how a good, "Christian" man like Greg Brennenman can stand idly by while Q franchisees are being forced out of business, losing their homes and live savings, so Q can step in and sell the "assets" to new suckers for pennies on the dollar. Talk about a BIG disappointment. GB should be ashamed of himself for making a deal with the devil.

U.S. Prime - Highest in quality and intramuscular fat, limited supply. Currently, about 2.9% of carcasses grade as Prime.[7]
U.S. Choice - High quality, widely available in foodservice industry and retail markets. Choice carcasses are 53.7% of the fed cattle total.
U.S. Select (formerly "Good") - lowest grade commonly sold at retail, acceptable quality but less juicy and tender due to leanness.
U.S. Standard - Lower quality yet economical, lacking marbling.
U.S. Commercial - Low quality, lacking tenderness, produced from older animals.
U.S. Utility
U.S. Cutter
U.S. Canner

Define Earn

The typical Quiznos franchise is losing money despite 80 hour work weeks. Many are working second jobs to make ends meet. $60,000? I know franchisees who had to close their restaurant and go back to work for the man to make that kind of money again. High food costs, lousy ads, no support. That's why Q has gone from almost 6,000 restaurants to about 3700 in a two year period.

Why Q's Fail - Beyond The Greed

of (p)Rick and Brannanman. It's because the actions the Q needs to take to survive is exactly the opposite of what franchisees need to do. At Quiznos the #1 revenue stream is selling food and supplies to franchisees. So with sales and revenue falling Q raises prices to franchisees, buys cheaper, lower quality product and keeps the price the same to franchisees, increases discounting, and increases the number of inspections to enforce purchasing agreements. To survive franchisees need to cut costs, scale back or eliminate poor selling items, find cheaper food and supply sources, and limit discounting. They can't do that as a Quiznos franchisee. They're stuck with rising wholesale prices, poorer quality, and less sales. They're required to sell every sandwich on the Q menu. The result is the closing of more than 1500 in the last two years with more to come.

The Quiznos Store Count Is...

ding ding ding ding 4133 as of June 16th, 2009. Nice job (p)Rick you ding dong.

franchise review

I question strongly the reviews of some of the specialists who give news of franchisors. A good one is that Quiznos is helping to renegotiate leases in these hard times, but, yes with a price!! They want a permanent royalty from this service. Yes, they want to receive a percentage of the savings sent to them as an additional fee, monthly. That is truth ! Second, there are not 4,500 Quiznos locations. Third, no one is looking at profitability at the store level. Food costs have gone up, profitability of each sale has dropped down Fourth, There are additional store closings every day, as the ability to withstand "No Profits" combined with the economy has increased the failures and there is no communication from headquarters at Quiznos, or any help at all. Just advertising sandwiches that do not have a profit per se. A majority of the field people representing Quiznos at the store level, have been laid off.

Franchise Review

You hit the nail on the head with these comments.

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Quizno's Lease

Ken writes: "A good one is that Quiznos is helping to renegotiate leases in these hard times, but, yes with a price!! They want a permanent royalty from this service. Yes, they want to receive a percentage of the savings sent to them as an additional fee, monthly. That is truth !"

I am not a fan of Quiznos, but if they are able to knock off 5 points off your lease and want 2 in return, how is that a bad deal?  Are you saying that they should have done it for free? 

Michael Webster, a franchisee attorney in Toronto, Ontario, publishes a website on business opportunities and franchises called "The BizOp News"

You need to own one to find

You need to own one to find that out. At times when you can not make a payroll and look in your employee's eye and tell them can I pay you next week, we'r not doing good. Franchiser is an asset to company if you rip your assets one point at a time its going to be null at another point. Everything doesn't work by capitalism only, there are ethics and moral in business. Like "honesty amongst thieves" company will do good if their franchiser are happy and profitable. Until now we have seen that in subway but now a days profitability is shrinking their too. Just THOUGHT

quiznos lease renegotiation

 

 

Your thought of them putting out the effort to renegotiate should have a renumerance for them.   The very fact that they have an income of 7%  royalty ;a profit on the food and rebates from everyone including Pepsi -  Dhouldn't that be the biggest motivator for them to try to help a store to survive, not necessarily prosper.  They are really, in reality protecting their own behinds and their income.

Bfy darn isn't it in their best interests to help renegotiate ?  And do it for the sake of the future of their cash cows, the franchisees !!!    To receive more, if I can put it into the right group of adjectives- SUCK EVERY PENNY THEY CAN FROM THE HARD EFFORTS OF THE WORKING PEOPLE THAT MAKE THEM THEIR LIVING -  They could call it insurance that their income will continue and it should "BE FREE" on their part.

It Can Get Worse At Quiznos - Yes, The Dicks Are Back

Word out of Denver today: Another round of layoffs at Quiznos. No sympathy for any qtard who gets laid off. What goes around comes around. David Dino is out. Dino was the wrong person at the wrong time to lead Quiznos. Being able to read a P&L doesn't mean you can RUN a restaurant or a restaurant chain and Dino proved it. Big (p)Rick is back. Yes, (p)Rick Schaden is back runnning Quiznos. What does that mean for franchisees? Another round of the ol' qscrew. Threats and intimidation. A scorched earth policy toward all franchisees. Losses and closings. Turn out the lights, the party's over.

Quinzos Three Weeks Of Advertising

Quiznos will run 3 weeks of advertising in 1st Quarter 2009? What happened to the 4% off the top Quiznos is taking every week for advertising? What is going on in Denver?

Another Quiznos Closed Sign, Todays Wall Street Journal, Page A3

Check out page A3 of todays Wall Street Journal, page A3, shows handwritten "Quiznos closed after 10 years sign"...its not all just about the economy in Detroit, baby...

Q Franchisees - No Advertising For You

Well, the Qtards have done the Qscrew to Quiznos franchisees again. Despite having an 80 million dollar ad budget and despite an ad blitz by Subway the Quiznos corporate morons have decided NOT to advertise until the end of March. Why? Is it because the stores are selling so much food that they don't need the advertising? Ah, no. Like Crazy Eddie we're GIVING IT ALL AWAY. Of course it could be because of the reimbursements Quiznos paid us to give away the free sandwiches. hahahahahahahahahaha. Could all of our ad money be spent on the free sub coupons that the Qtards have been spitting out? Nah, it just seems like it. That's a hell of a lot of coupons - even for Qtards. Or could it be that they don't feel the latest event is worth advertising? Could be. Black Angus Peppercorn is another loser that shows no originality - just like our advertising - and it has a budget busting food cost - not that the qtards care. Question for The Dicks and bean counter Dino - What happened to our ad money? Question for the rest of you - Do you now understand why ad co-ops run by franchisees are so important in a franchise system? Co-ops, Co-ops, Co-ops. With a few exceptions if a system doesn't have them they than DON'T invest in it. And Q ISN'T one of the exceptions. Question for Darnelle - Can you understand why so many of us are so frustrated? And by the way, the # of operating Quiznos now stands at less than 4250. Quiznos Sucks

Quiznos - Three Weeks of Advertising In Three Months.

In the first three months of 2009 Quiznos will take 4% of the gross of more than 4,000 restaurants and use it to buy 3 weeks of tv advertising. THREE WEEKS of commercials in three months. What happened to the ad money? No co-op, no accountability. If that doesn't send up the red flags about the Qtards nothing will.

Quiznos Corp doesn't have the guts...

Quiznos Corp doesn't have the guts to allow a food co-op, an advertising co-op. The words "accountability" and "Quiznos' should NEVER be used in the same sentence.

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