Perhaps you’ve seen the “Easy Button” commercial from Staples one too many times. Franchising doesn’t have an “Easy Button” nor does proper site selection. Small Town + 15,000 Car Daily Traffic Count does not equal “Great Location perfect for “fill in the blank fast food franchise”.
We all know that success or failure for most consumer driven businesses come down to 3 important issues: location, Location and LOCATION. This is especially true for a fast food franchise. Without additional information such as what part of the country you’re located in, your personal objectives and specifics about the property it’s impossible to provide you with a meaningful recommendation. I will however provide a generic response to your generic question and if you provide some specifics, I will then provide some specific concepts worthy of your consideration.
Your traffic count although respectable, is on the low side of what most franchisors would recommend. Therefore other issues need to be considered in order to mitigate the relatively low number of people passing by. After all it is not the number of people who pass-by, but the number of people who stop and patronize the business that puts money in the bank. A few of the points which need to be considered:
How accessible is the location for the traffic in all directions?
Is it at a controlled intersection?
Does it have egress and ingress in all directions?
What is the speed limit? 15,000 cars crawling by at 30 miles per hour is much better than 25,000 cars speeding by at 55 miles per hour.
Is there good visibility from all directions?
Is the location at or near “Main & Main” in your town?
How far is it to the next town in each direction?
How many residences are there within 1 mile, within 3 miles?
What is the working population within 1 mile, within 3 miles?
Is there a High School or College nearby?
Where is the traffic traveling to and from?
Are these unique cars passing by once or twice per day, every day?
Are these the same 3 or 4,000 cars passing by multiple times per day?
Are there other fast food restaurants in the general vicinity which are doing well?
If you’re looking to do a “Build to Suit” and then lease the property and building to a franchisee/Franchisor or to sell the property to a franchisee for development, you may want to visit the websites of various franchisors who have locations near you but not in your “small town”. Many of these franchisors will have a real estate section where you can submit a site for consideration. For instance according to their websites, Subway is currently searching for locations for more than 1,500 franchisees, and Quiznos is searching for more than 1,000.
If you're looking to own and operate the franchise yourself, a number of franchisors now offer smaller prototypes and/or co-branded concepts specifically for smaller markets and lower traffic counts. Knowing your geographic location would allow me to point you in the proper direction. For instance if you’re in Texas or Oklahoma, Golden Chicken has been very successful in offering both a smaller prototype and a co-branded location, each having the same brand and image characteristics of their full-scale model, with a much lower overall investment and operating costs. Yum Brands now has more than 550 co-branded locations, offering various combinations of KFC, Long John Silvers, A&W, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut.
Best of luck in finding the perfect concept for a Great Location!
Franny
Remember specific detailed questions allow for specific detailed responses.
What are your experiences, skills and lifestyle desires? Are you willing and able to commit the time, investment and effort food requires?
Don’t rely on just “national averages” they are skewed based on income and demographics. Someone from the city may eat out 5 times or more a week and the average person in a small town may eat out 3 times a week which combined average 4 times a week. Try and research state or local statistics.
Before investigating in any business or franchise please consider your investment range. Why even consider a business (unless you are conducting research) if you don’t meet the minimum financial requirements.
Each franchise opportunity or business is different there is no such thing as an average ROI of 8% - 10%.
Looking at a list of restaurants in the area does not constitute sufficient market research to determine which food segments are adequately served or underserved. Regional taste and demographics play a major role in local consumer choices. Traffic/customer counts are the old fashioned and proven way of estimating gross sales.
Take a look at the local demographics for fun visit www.epodunk.com and see for instance the median household income in Lebanon is about 50% of the national average. The median household income based on the 2000 census in Kentucky is $33,642 while it is $21,860 in city of Lebanon substainially less. Visit: http://censtats.census.gov/pub/Profiles.shtml for more demographic information.
When you find an opportunity that is interesting to you and meets your interests and financial situation take a look at the franchisees or locations and determine which ones mirror similar demograhics of Lebanon. For instance just because My Daddy’s Cheesecake is popular in Cape Girardeau , MO does not mean it will be successful in Lebanon.
The median Household income in Cape Girardeau , MO is$32,452 compared to $21,860 in Lebanon. The estimated Population of Cape Giradeau is 35,741 seven times the population of Lebanon.
Consider your must have priorities before you investigate a franchise or business opportunity then build a business plan to determine if the opportunity has a basis for success in the market area you choose.
Just a couple of responses to your attacks (I don’t have the energy to answer them all).
I’m not the one calling myself "Dear Franny". Accusing me of promoting my business is one thing, to tell you the truth I don't even know Matt's qualifications. He may not be financially qualified, therefore I may not be able to help him. For all I know he may own the real estate and is looking for a tenant. With all that said, you are the one positioning yourself as an objective “Dear Franny” not me.
Franchise Pefection has the rights to represent over 250 franchise systems. I list 15 on my website to name a few. None of the companies I represent have less than 10 units and have been franchising less than 5 years.Stating an average or expected ROI when representing a franchise is an earnings claim! If a company does make an earnings claim in item #19 how can you represent an average ROI? The franchisee may never see an ROI.
The SIC may have an ROI attached to an industry but not to a franchise system. Only 20% of franchisors make an item #19 earnings claim.Does My Daddy Cheesecake have an earnings claim in item #19?
Are there any attorneys out there to help this discussion?
By the way my name is Jim Coen not Mr. Cohen! At least call me by my right name.
This is one the few places anywhere where there can be an open and frank discussion regarding the Ins & Outs or Tips and Traps of franchising, I appreciate and relish participation in a forum like this.
As a broker I prefer franchisors that make an UFOC item #19 disclosure. As a matter of fact, brokers, independent reps or consultants, would prefer to refer companies that make item #19 disclosure, it takes the burden or risk of making an “earnings claim” off their shoulders.
There are a number of reasons that only 20% of franchisors make any item #19 disclosure. First and foremost the FTC refers to item #19 as a “Earnings Claim”. That is itself presents some problems to franchisors and their attorney’s.
Most franchisors collect royalties, in most cases they no not track their franchisees tax returns. In order for a franchisor to make an “earnings claim” they would have either audit franchisees books or have company stores with audited financial statements.
Some franchise attorneys allow their clients to make financial representations that are not earnings claims per se, but a representation of average sales, or other financial representation.
I’ve seen hundreds of UFOC item #19 disclosures. One that sticks out in my mind is the 4/1/2004 Item #19 disclosure that Carvel made in its UFOC.The disclosure was that the average Carvel purchased 395 gallons of ice cream mix for the year 2003 and that 43% of the stores met or exceeded that purchase amount. That’s all they disclosed, it was up to the prospective franchisees and advisers to talk to existing franchisees and extrapolate earning projections or ROI.
The FTC is considering changing the title of Item #19 from "Earning Claims" to "Financial Representation" or something as benign. The goal of which is that more franchisors would make a financial representation.
CAUTION – THIS EARNINGS INFORMATION APPLIES TO A CARVEL FULL
STORE ONLY AND HAS NO RELEVANCE TO A CARVEL CITY CENTER STORE
OR CARVEL EXPRESS STORE. IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING THE PURCHASE OF A
CARVEL CITY CENTER STORE OR CARVEL EXPRESS STORE, DO NOT
CONSIDER THIS EARNINGS INFORMATION IN DETERMINING WHETHER TO
PURCHASE YOUR CARVEL CITY CENTER STORE OR CARVEL EXPRESS STORE
FRANCHISE.
During 2003, there were 288 Carvel Full Stores open for business for the entire 12 months. For these 288 stores, the average number of gallons of ice cream mix purchased by these stores during 2003 was 395 (the “Average Gallon Purchase”). Of the 288 Carvel Full Stores that were open for business during all of 2003, 124 or 43.1% of these Carvel Full Stores met or exceededthe average gallons of ice cream mix purchased during 2003.
Your results are likely to differ from the results stated above. This information identifies average gallons purchased only and does not include any data on the costs that you may expect to incur in operating your Carvel Full Store. The number of gallons of ice cream mix purchased at a Carvel Full Store depends on many factors, including geographic location, competition within the
market area, customer demand, marketing efforts by the Carvel Full Store, appearance of the Carvel Full Store, and the quality of service provided to customers.
You should conduct an independent investigation of the business contemplated by this Franchise Offering Circular; recognize that it involves business risks, and recognize that making a success of a venture is largely dependent on your own business abilities. We are not giving you any assurance or warranty, express or implied, as to the potential success of any Carvel Full Store business you operate or the profits that you may achieve. The information on gallons purchased during 2003 was provided to us by our distributors of the ice cream mix. Neither we nor our Carvel Full Store franchisees have verified the information provided to us by our distributors.
The information provided in this Item 19 has not been audited by an independent certified public accountant. We will provide substantiation of the data used to prepare this earnings claim to you on your reasonable request, although we will not disclose the identity of any Carvel Full Store owner. Except as provided in this Item 19, we do not furnish, or authorize our salespersons or anyone else to furnish, any oral or written information on the actual or potential sales, costs, income, or profits of a Carvel Full Store, Carvel City Center Store or Carvel Express Store. Actual results vary from unit to unit and we cannot estimate the results of any particular franchisee.
They have made a financial representation based on what they know. At that time Carvel did not collect royalties they sold ice cream mix.
Carvel is an example of a product oriented franchise, where the franchisor sells product to the franchisees, in a sense the royalty is built into the price of the product.
Since Carvel did not track gross sales of it's franchisees the financial representation is based on what they do know, and that is how much mix the average store purchased.
It may not be a "full earnings claim" but at least it's a financial represention it's a place for a prospective franchisee to start.
I will post an example of a more detailed "full earnings claim".
Great comments, and I like the idea behind this "Dear Franny" section. I gave a superficial response to a question very similar to this by giving out companies that have low investment costs. I figured that low investment costs and fixed costs allow revenue streams to come way down in order to support a store.
As Franny points out, there is much more that needs to be considered than road traffic or the list I gave of coffee shops for low initial investment franchises.
CONSIDER EVERYTHING Matt: (and others who may read this column)
Mr. Cohen made many good points in his post.I believe his MAIN POINT was that I omitted Franchise Perfection from my ‘short list’ of possible organizations who may be interested in assisting you in the selection of a franchise.This is evident by the contradictory nature of his posting and in his closing “Thanks for your Consideration”.So for clarification, I’m going to touch on a few of the points which Mr. Cohen makes.I’ll start by acknowledging that I’m sure Mr. Cohen and his organization would like to assist you in your franchise selection, as would many other individuals and organizations who earn their revenues from such efforts.
Mr. Cohen suggests that before making your decision you consider:
What are your experiences, skills and lifestyle desires?Are you willing and able to commit the time, investment and effort food requires?
I agree wholeheartedly that these are considerations which you need to take into account, and intended to communicate this when I wrote:
When launching any business – franchise or otherwise – the norm is to FIRST identify a need and then develop a methodology of economically and profitably fulfilling that need.
…why are you limiting yourself and your location to a food concept…
…I’d like to see you focus on market need, areas of interest, desired life style, return on investment etc…
Notice that I did not specifically say “Experiences” because the fact is that you’ve most likely never had experience in owning and operating a franchise concept of the franchisor(s) with whom you may be considering.Sometimes, industry specific “Experience” can actually be a detriment to your success, and count against you by a prospective franchisor when weighing your qualifications for consideration.It is however important that your “Experience” align itself with the skill set necessary for success.Ultimately you are trying to position yourself so that you ‘work on the business not in the business.I have ZERO experience as a short order cook, however I have tons of experience in the operational aspects of operating a business and consider myself to have what I refer to as DEW (a Desire to Grow, an Eagerness to Learn and a Willingness to be taught) therefore I believe that I could successfully own and operate a fast food franchise.
Continuing down Mr. Cohen’s list in order:
Don’t rely on just “national averages” they are skewed based on income and demographics. Someone from the city may eat out 5 times or more a week and the average person in a small town may eat out 3 times a week which combined average 4 times a week. Try and research state or local statistics. I agree, and it should be obvious to us all that the more geographically relevant the data being used, the more beneficial such data will be.However in order to gain “local” statistics you will most likely need to conduct your own market study.An effort that may be worthwhile, but somewhat premature at this stage of consideration.
Before investigating in any business or franchise please consider your investment range. Why even consider a business (unless you are conducting research) if you don’t meet the minimum financial requirements. Okay, this sounds good and was addressed in my post with: “…and then develop a methodology of economically and profitably fulfilling that need.”Key word being ‘economically’.I’m currently in the market to purchase a new vehicle.I’ve decided that I’m going to purchase an automobile, but have not yet decided on a make and model.I’d really like to have a Ferrari F430 and even if the $180,000 price tag didn’t deter me, the actual cost of ownership including such things as depreciation, financing, Insurance, State Fees, Fuel, Maintenance, Repairs etc… most likely would.My point is quite simply this First you decide I want a business, then you decide on a type of business and then you decide on which business within that type you can afford to acquire and develop.
Each franchise opportunity or business is different there is no such thing as an average ROI of 8% - 10%. Bovine Defecation!There is an average for anything consisting of 2 or more.Now there is no such thing as a guaranteed ROI, however every Standard Industrial Classification has associated with it an AVERAGE ROI.When looking at a P&L statement every line item has associated with it a percentage.My accountant can tell me when any line item like office supplies or gross profit or net profit begins to climb above or falls below the generally accepted averages.If you can not predict a ROI greater than what would have been earned on the investment then why invest money in something other than a passbook savings account, CD or treasury note?
Looking at a list of restaurants in the area does not constitute sufficient market research to determine which food segments are adequately served or underserved. Regional taste and demographics play a major role in local consumer choices. Traffic/customer counts are the old fashioned and proven way of estimating gross sales. Bat Guano!It was not my suggestion that looking at a list of restaurants constituted “Sufficient Market Research” however it certainly is a starting point. When you see a genre begin to exceed the saturation point of what can reasonably be supported in a profitable manner it must send up a RED FLAG.Within a given market, there are only so many dollars being spent on a product category.In order to be successful you must be able to take market share, create a market, serve an un-served market or expand the market.When I look at the average expenditures on commercially prepared chicken and the potential competition currently serving the Lebanon market, (i.e. Lee’s and KFC) I do not see room for Church’s or Popeye’s or even Chick-fill-A.However I might consider a Fazoli’s or Amato’s being that no Italian is represented on the list or perhaps a Bar-B-Q for the same reason.Additionally Amato’s and most of the Bar-B-Q concepts offer catering options which could help to expand your market.
Take a look at the local demographics for fun visit www.epodunk.comand see for instance the median household income in Lebanon is about 50% of the national average. The median household income based on the 2000 census in Kentucky is $33,642 while it is $21,860 in city of Lebanon substantially less. Yes, sorta kinda.Household income should be considered to a point.So let’s rule out Ruth’s Chris in part because of household income and in part because it’s not a place you eat once a week unless you’re Mr. BlueMauMau, and therefore the lower population doesn’t support it.However, the cost of living in New York City is more than 400% greater than that of Lebanon, but both profitably support such establishments as McDonalds, Burger King etc….The real key indicator becomes ‘Disposable Income’.We both know the cost of living in Lebanon is much lower than in other parts of the state and country.
When you find an opportunity that is interesting to you and meets your interests and financial situation take a look at the franchisees or locations and determine which ones mirror similar demographics of Lebanon. Sounds familiar, I believe I’ve provided this same advice before.However, without a pre-conceived concept in mind I’d encourage that you evaluate opportunities that are doing well in markets similar to Lebanon and then see which of those are the most appealing to you. For instance just because My Daddy’s Cheesecake is popular in Cape Girardeau , MO does not mean it will be successful in Lebanon. Nor does it mean that it will not.No two markets are going to be identical.Nor was I pushing My Daddy’s Cheesecake.However, it is an up and coming concept, near you.Low cost of entry, multiple revenue streams, un-served market, and provides for the ‘Sweet Tooth’ which was indicated that Lebanon needs.
The median Household income in Cape Girardeau , MO is$32,452 compared to $21,860 in Lebanon. The estimated Population of Cape Giradeau is 35,741 seven times the population of Lebanon. Relevance?NYC is a Gazillion times that of Lebanon yet still supports similar concepts.It all comes down to a need in the market which is or isn’t being adequately served.
I’m sure Mr. Cohen would love to hook you up with one of the 15 Franchise Concepts listed on his website.I’m sure one of them is exactly what Lebanon needs!I’m sure that the other 4,985 franchisors represent concepts which would never work in Lebanon, KY.I doubt Mr. Cohen has ever broken bread in Lebanon, celebrated in the infield on derby day, set foot on blue grass, or tasted My Daddy’s Cheesecake.
When investing in a franchise there is a lot to consider.Never invest in a franchise or anything based on a short posting on a bulletin board, this one or any other.When making an investment one must consider the amount of data which is necessary to make an informed, educated decision.When investing in a pizza for lunch, not a lot of consideration is necessary, you might want to consider:
Do I like pizza?; Am I in the mood for pizza?; What kind of pizza do I like?;
Can I afford to eat pizza for lunch?
Does the pizza establishment which I’m considering have a reputation for cleanliness, good quality and a fair value?
Can I get in and out in the time frame allotted for my lunch?
These considerations will be made in subliminal manner in the subconscious of your mind without a great deal of thought or effort.After all, if you get a bad slice of pizza, blow your lunch budget or run out of time, it’s no life changing event.However if you’re considering the investment into the ownership and or establishment of a pizza business obviously there are many more factors which one would consider.More than can be posted in a single response on a bulletin board.In fact there are 100’s of books written on how to select and invest in a franchise and 100’s on owning and investing in business in general.One might be wise to read them all, however after having done so you’d most likely be too old and too confused by the varying opinions to invest in anything.
Should you decide to retain the services of a franchise broker or consultant, you would be wise to spend as much time in the selection of your advisor as you’ll ultimately spend on the selection of the right franchise concept for you and your market.Brokers can save you a lot of time, energy and effort.They are familiar with various concepts, and the requirements of those concepts.However, most brokers only make money if you purchase a franchise.So when selecting a broker find one that has a real interest in you, and who is looking to create a relationship beyond the purchase of a single unit.
One of the reasons I tossed out the names of FranNet and FranChoice, besides their obvious stature in the industry had to do with the fact that they have representation in Kentucky.There are many other organizations which can also assist you in your efforts, even without actually being in Kentucky.I included FranSynergy in the list because of the obvious, and because our approach is very different.We work with prospective franchisees because we hope that once becoming a franchisee that they’ll choose to become a FranSynergy client and utilize our bundled business solution in the growth and development of their franchise.We work some clients on a retained basis, and are paid by the client.Therefore we can provided non-biased opinions and recommendations which often mean telling the prospective franchisee that they are not a good franchise candidate or that they need additional operating capital or that a concept is not viable in a specific market.At other times after getting to know a prospective franchisee we will recommend that they contact a franchise broker for further assistance.We then match them to brokers who have the right mix of franchise concepts in their portfolio.
What I was trying to communicate to you, and I believe Mr. Cohen was as well and any franchise professional would communicate is that one most consider a lot of information when selecting and investing in a franchise.If there were, I’d have simply read your original post:
Dear Franny,I have great location with 15,000 car count in a small town. Any food franchise that would fit this? Thanks,Matt
And responded with.Absolutely, call Foods-R-Us at 1-800-FOO-LISH and send them a check for $30,000 and put another $350,000 into an operating fund and go on a 6 month vacation to the Bahamas’.When you get back you’ll have an operating unit which will provide the income and security you need to make all of your dreams and goals a reality.
I stand corrected on your name, my apologies.I have a good friend with the last name Cohen and it is a force of habit I suppose.
No you really did not hit a nerve.Matt and I had a running discussion regarding his situation. I was trying to provide Matt with an understanding of the process which one might go through in selecting the best franchise for his particular situation and your advice seemed to muddy the waters.The muddiness I’m sure was exaggerated by what had already become a rather frustrating day at the time which I responded.Unfortunately I let my emotions run amuck in my response and apologize to you, and Blue MauMau readers for including unnecessary verbiage.
To some degree everyone here at Blue MauMau has an agenda to promote.Perhaps that agenda is in the marketing of their business, the selection of a franchise or finding the solution to a real problem which they may be experiencing in their business. The really Great thing about this forum is that it provides us all with an opportunity to get a lot of varying opinions from a variety of vantage points.Seldom are we ever going to all agree on anything, and to the readers advantage they have the opportunity to evaluate various advice and formulate their on opinions based on our ranting and ravings at times, and sound but varying advice at others.One of the facts that I’m constantly communicating to my team hear at FranSynergy is that it’s okay for us to disagree.If we always agreed with each other, some of us would be unnecessary.Debate is also a way in which many of us learn to understand the opposing side of a situation.
I stand by the advice which I’ve provided, and expect that you stand by yours.At the end of the day, I’m sure we both want to see Matt secure the best franchise for his situation and our advice is just that advice.Matt must take the advice which he receives from us, and that which he will ultimately receive from his in-laws, outlaws, friends and neighbors weigh it all and come to a decision that he believes provides him with the best opportunity for success.
Every prospective franchisee asks "How much can I make?"
Very few zors make an Earnings Claim (Item 19 in the UFOC), and while there is no definitive study on the matter, my guess is that the 20% quoted by Coen is correct. I try to get prospects to look at franchising as a business decision, but emotional factors often override (or even preclude) an objective economic analysis by prospective franchisees.
I have always suspected that one of the reasons zors use brokers and "independent" sales agents is to insulate themselves from regulatory problems resulting from the inevitable sotto voce Earnings Claim, but that's another story.
I personally am a big fan of the hands-on approach--sitting in the car for a few hours during morn/lunch/aft/eve/night and observing the traffic patterns. But I think that the big-picture approach (SMSA / Census tract data, etc) is a welcome addition; and with the wealth of data on the Internet one would be foolish not to factor in the macro factors.
In short, the advice given by both Coen and Franny is fairly mainstream counsel, and I don't see anything in their discussion thread which would cause me to say that either one is off the deep end. For all the fireworks, the analysis is classic pre-purchase stuff.
By the way Jim, I have long since given up trying to get people to spell my name with "berg" and since my bank will cash the client checks made out to "burg", I don't care so long as the check clears.
This looks pretty interesting but I cannot find Item 19 in the post, the actual Earnings Claim. You succeeded in getting me hungry. Where's the beef / cream?
Thank you for taking time to answer my franchise questions.
I'm thinking of owning and running a franchise right on Main Street of Lebanon, Kentucky. Most likely, I need a small prototype.
Here are the specifics of my town. It is a cozy and friendly town that once took some Civil War heat.
The town's population is 5,000. We are the seat of Marion County, with a county population of 18,000. We have a Subways, McDonald's, KFC/Taco Bell, Long John Silvers, Curves, a Wendy's, a RadioShack, a Blockbuster, an HRBlock and a Jackson Hewitt franchise in town.
Main Street, which is also a state route, has 15000 cars passing by in a given day.
Main Street intersects with another state road, a Y-intersection with car traffic around 30,000. Naturally, our local McDonald's is located at our most trafficked intersection, on the left side of the Y intersection. There is an elementary school a block up the right arm of the Y. On the right side of the intersection across the street from McDonald's, there are some abandoned retail shops. Almost all other fast-food restaurants are down the Y leg, tucked right next to our local Wal-Mart complex. Speaking of Wal-Mart, they plan to build a SuperCenter here in 2007. Where not exactly sure where they will build it at this point.
The high school building and middle school is on the other side of town on Main Street / State Road 68. The only franchise out that direction is a Blockbusters Video in a small strip mall complex.
I think there is a pent up demand for sweets in this Southern township.
It just so happens that I’m very familiar with Lebanon. Several years ago I spent 6 months consulting with a company in Russell Springs, and during that time my family and I leased a home in Jamestown on Lake Cumberland. We had several opportunities to visit Lebanon. I’ve known a lot of people who have gone to school in E-town and I’ve worked with a number of people in establishing franchise locations throughout Kentucky.
When launching any business – franchise or otherwise – the norm is to FIRST identify a need and then develop a methodology of economically and profitably fulfilling that need. For instance, Mr. Blue MauMau recognized that there was a need for providing an internet portal that served the franchisee and prospective franchisee, FranSynergy saw a need to deliver various business systems to franchisees that fill the void between that provided by the franchisor to the franchisee and that which the franchisee remains responsible as the owner of a franchise business. One of the questions which you must answer is what need exists in your market which is not currently being served or can be served by you more efficiently, effectively and profitably.
As we look back to your original question, which was:“I have great location with 15,000 car count in a small town. Any food franchise that would fit this?”
Assuming that an interest existed in owning and operating a food franchisee one of the first questions which I would ask myself or you, would be “Is there a need for a restaurant in this market?” I’ve taken a quick look at what is available and I’ve identified 22 restaurants in the city limits of Lebanon. Obviously with 22 restaurants in the market (some of which are franchise concepts, your market can support a restaurant; the question becomes can it support another restaurant, and if so what kind?
With Lebanon’s population of 5,718 people or 2,487 households (2.28 people per household) that is 260 people per restaurant. According to a report by the National Restaurant Association the average person over the age of 8, eats 4.2 commercially prepared meals per week, so based on the Lebanon population we can assume that there are approximately 24,000 commercially prepared meals eaten per week by the citizens of Lebanon. Granted some of these meals will be eaten in other nearby towns, and some meals are consumed by persons who do not reside in Lebanon, so for now well assume that this translates into an offset. It’s also unlikely that Lebanon residents spread their commercially prepared food dollars equally to the 22 restaurants in Lebanon, but let’s assume for a minute that you do achieve 1/23rd of the market, this would mean that you’d be serving approximately 1,044 meals per week. With the average check for a commercially prepared meal currently being $6.07 that translates into total gross receipts of about $6,200 per week or $26,660 per month, $319,000 per year. Assuming the average restaurant post-tax profit of 6% of Gross Receipts this translates into about $19,152 per year in profit. Add in a reasonable owner’s salary of 40,000 per year, is this enough to justify the use of the property, the investment, risk and return on investment? The profit which could be expected to be realized on an investment of 200K would translate into about 10%, and to 8% at 250K. It all comes down to can we find something with a LOW investment or that has a huge need allowing you to capture more than a 23rd of the market.
There are four commercial restaurant segments:
Limited-service or LSRs (fast-food restaurants such as McDonald’s and Wendy’s);
casual dinning (e.g. Applebee’s and Outback);
midscale (e.g. Denny’s and Ponderosa); and
fine dining (upscale restaurants such as Morton’s and Del Frisco’s).
Restaurant categories are also segmented by chain type:
major chains (operations with 250 or more units);
small chains (operations with 10 – 249 units) or
independents (operations with up to 9 units).
Let’s look at those 22 Restaurants in the Lebanon market and see if we see specific food types or segments not served or under-served.
Blues On Tap Restaurant & Bar 110 N Proctor Knott Ave Cardinal Den 225 W Water St Los Meriachis 119 W Main St D & S Main St Café 117 W Main St Country Kitchen 213 W Main St Big Jim's Bar & Grill 212 W Main St Papa John's Pizza 255 N Depot St El Rincon Michoacano 431 E Main St Mc Donald's 503 W Main St Lee's Famous Recipe Chicken Campbellsville Rd Taco Bell 601 W Main St Pizza Hut 680 W Main St Long John Silver's 757 W Main St Subway Sandwiches & Salads 124 Lebanon Trade Ctr KFC 780 W Main St Taco Bell 780 W Main St Rio's Steakhouse of Lebanon 784 W Main St China King Buffet 791 W Main St Wendy's 804 W Main St Cedarwood Restaurant 660 E Main St Mc Donald's 145 Cemetery Rd Fergie's Classic Grill & Bar 45 Mcelroy Pike
It would appear as though the Pizza, Mexican and chicken are all well served in the market. Burgers are also well served, however they represent 67% of the LSR market, so perhaps there’s room for another burger joint so we’ll keep that open. Seafood, Steak, Chinese, home-style and cold-cut all seem to be adequately served. Excluding pizza the most obvious food type not currently served is Italian.
If we look at the segment types we see plenty of LSR, Casual Dining and Mid-scale restaurant types. Perhaps there’s room for upscale, however the initial investment and low population would tend to exclude them. So what is the need?
I would be looking at a LSR burger, focused on drive through and or car-hop service which offers sweets as you’ve indicated. So I’m thinking Sonic which now offers a variety of non-traditional concepts and Dairy Queen both of which offer a variety of ice-cream products being that the nearest ice-cream parlors appear to be some 20+ miles away. The Sonic model would provide an option not currently available in the Market, and of course Dairy Queen is a Southern tradition with the nearest location being 20+ miles away, yet offering top of the mind awareness to most in your community.
Other small prototype offerings from Back-Yard Burgers, Rally’s/Checkers, Krystal’s, and Nathan’s which offers co-branding options, might also be worthy of consideration.While staying in the restaurant/food franchise arena, here’s my dark-horse consideration, My Daddy’s Cheesecake an emerging franchise concept owned by Kevin Stanfield who in addition to being the Franchisor of My Daddy’s Cheesecake he is also a very successful multi- unit Blimpie franchisee. Besides offering the best Cheesecake you’ve ever eaten this concept provides customers with complete meal options and the franchise owner with a variety of income streams through mail order and product sales through area grocery stores. To clarify, you have income from the unit and you’re able to derive income from more distant markets by making the product available through nearby grocery stores and other restaurants. This franchisor is close to you, based in Cape Girardeau, MO and is new thereby allowing you to negotiate better terms on a relatively new franchise concept.
NOW HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, why are you limiting yourself and your location to a food concept that is already saturated based on population, when there are so many other viable franchise business concepts which are not currently servicing your market? Concepts that would have less competition, comparable or even lower investments, and provide a greater return on investment. A few of these might include:
Automotive Service and Repair. Although there are a variety of old fashioned garages in the market, I find no nationally recognized locations. You might consider one of the many quick lube, tire, body shop, transmission, or brake repair.
Glass Repair for Auto and Flat Glass. It seems that the nearest ones are coming out of Shepardsville or Louisville. Glass Doctor a Dwyer Group franchise concept requires no previous experience in glass and is well established in Kentucky. They offer geographic territories based on total population, which could allow you to secure a number of counties and open satellite locations in nearby locations like Campbellsville and service the surrounding communities of Springfield, Bradforsville, Loretto, Mackville, Williamsburg, and Perryville to name a few.
Janitorial Services. It appears that the nearest is coming out of E-town.
Personally, I’d like to see you focus on market need, areas of interest, desired life style, return on investment etc…. instead of trying to find a food concept that you can put on a piece of property. There are many companies which would like to work with you to find the “BEST FIT” for you, a few of this would be FranNet, FranChoice and of course my company FranSynergy. I hope you’ve found my thoughts and suggestions to be helpful in your endeavor. If I can be of any additional assistance, please don’t hesitate to post your question here at Blue MauMau or you may contact me directly by emailing me Franny@fransynergy.com
Best of Luck, Franny P.S. Remember Luck is opportunity meeting preparation!
By the way Jim, I have long since given up trying to get people to spell my name with "berg" and since my bank will cash the client checks made out to "burg", I don't care so long as the check clears. - Paul Steinberg
I have long since given up trying to get people to not only spell my name but also to say my name correctly. Fortunately, my bank also is very loose on the spelling variations.
Don Sniegowski aka Don Snegorsky aka Dawn Fnegski aka Donald Sniggy aka kdlkdslj lsdjfjadjf Favorite? The Great Labowski
The really Great thing about this forum is that it provides us all with an opportunity to get a lot of varying opinions from a variety of vantage points. Seldom are we ever going to all agree on anything, and to the readers advantage they have the opportunity to evaluate various advice and formulate their on opinions based on our ranting and ravings at times, and sound but varying advice at others. - Franny
Dear Franny,
That is beautifully said and it is indeed the value to franchise candidates and owners of a site such as this. They get the whole franchise picture through different perspectives.
I thought I'd contribute this map of Lebanon, KY and its fast-food restaurants. "M" stands for McDonald's and "P" for Pizza Hut. Notice the intersection that has been discussed. Lots of state roads - 49, 55, 52 -- running through it or close to it.
-don-
p.s. Click on the map to see an interactive fast-food map of the United States. This link and other fun links are in Blue MauMau's Weblinks Directory.
"As Winston, My Airedale Terrier said the other day: 'You know, sometimes walking away from a fight is the more courageous thing to do.'" - FranPro
I liked what your very erudite Airedale has said. One day you'll have to share with the rest of the world how you managed to train him to be so articulate. I'm thinking franchise chain here.
No "Easy Button"
Matt:
Perhaps you’ve seen the “Easy Button” commercial from Staples one too many times. Franchising doesn’t have an “Easy Button” nor does proper site selection. Small Town + 15,000 Car Daily Traffic Count does not equal “Great Location perfect for “fill in the blank fast food franchise”.
We all know that success or failure for most consumer driven businesses come down to 3 important issues: location, Location and LOCATION. This is especially true for a fast food franchise. Without additional information such as what part of the country you’re located in, your personal objectives and specifics about the property it’s impossible to provide you with a meaningful recommendation. I will however provide a generic response to your generic question and if you provide some specifics, I will then provide some specific concepts worthy of your consideration.
Your traffic count although respectable, is on the low side of what most franchisors would recommend. Therefore other issues need to be considered in order to mitigate the relatively low number of people passing by. After all it is not the number of people who pass-by, but the number of people who stop and patronize the business that puts money in the bank. A few of the points which need to be considered:
If you’re looking to do a “Build to Suit” and then lease the property and building to a franchisee/Franchisor or to sell the property to a franchisee for development, you may want to visit the websites of various franchisors who have locations near you but not in your “small town”. Many of these franchisors will have a real estate section where you can submit a site for consideration. For instance according to their websites, Subway is currently searching for locations for more than 1,500 franchisees, and Quiznos is searching for more than 1,000.
If you're looking to own and operate the franchise yourself, a number of franchisors now offer smaller prototypes and/or co-branded concepts specifically for smaller markets and lower traffic counts. Knowing your geographic location would allow me to point you in the proper direction. For instance if you’re in Texas or Oklahoma, Golden Chicken has been very successful in offering both a smaller prototype and a co-branded location, each having the same brand and image characteristics of their full-scale model, with a much lower overall investment and operating costs. Yum Brands now has more than 550 co-branded locations, offering various combinations of KFC, Long John Silvers, A&W, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut.
Best of luck in finding the perfect concept for a Great Location!
Franny
Remember specific detailed questions allow for specific detailed responses.Consider this!
Consider these points before you make a decision:
What are your experiences, skills and lifestyle desires? Are you willing and able to commit the time, investment and effort food requires?
Consider your must have priorities before you investigate a franchise or business opportunity then build a business plan to determine if the opportunity has a basis for success in the market area you choose.
Thanks for your consideration.
Jim Coen, Franchise Perfection, 877-469-3002, jim@franchiseperfection.com, www.franchiseperfetion.com
Did I hit a nerve or what?
Dale Nabors,
Just a couple of responses to your attacks (I don’t have the energy to answer them all).
I’m not the one calling myself "Dear Franny". Accusing me of promoting my business is one thing, to tell you the truth I don't even know Matt's qualifications. He may not be financially qualified, therefore I may not be able to help him. For all I know he may own the real estate and is looking for a tenant. With all that said, you are the one positioning yourself as an objective “Dear Franny” not me.
Franchise Pefection has the rights to represent over 250 franchise systems. I list 15 on my website to name a few. None of the companies I represent have less than 10 units and have been franchising less than 5 years.Stating an average or expected ROI when representing a franchise is an earnings claim! If a company does make an earnings claim in item #19 how can you represent an average ROI? The franchisee may never see an ROI.
The SIC may have an ROI attached to an industry but not to a franchise system. Only 20% of franchisors make an item #19 earnings claim.Does My Daddy Cheesecake have an earnings claim in item #19?
Are there any attorneys out there to help this discussion?
By the way my name is Jim Coen not Mr. Cohen! At least call me by my right name.Jim Coen, Franchise Perfection, 877-469-3002, jim@franchiseperfection.com, www.franchiseperfetion.com
You can call me Jay you can call me Ray! Just call me!
I do prefer Jim, Mr. Coen makes me feel too old!
This is one the few places anywhere where there can be an open and frank discussion regarding the Ins & Outs or Tips and Traps of franchising, I appreciate and relish participation in a forum like this.
As a broker I prefer franchisors that make an UFOC item #19 disclosure. As a matter of fact, brokers, independent reps or consultants, would prefer to refer companies that make item #19 disclosure, it takes the burden or risk of making an “earnings claim” off their shoulders.
There are a number of reasons that only 20% of franchisors make any item #19 disclosure. First and foremost the FTC refers to item #19 as a “Earnings Claim”. That is itself presents some problems to franchisors and their attorney’s.
Most franchisors collect royalties, in most cases they no not track their franchisees tax returns. In order for a franchisor to make an “earnings claim” they would have either audit franchisees books or have company stores with audited financial statements.
Some franchise attorneys allow their clients to make financial representations that are not earnings claims per se, but a representation of average sales, or other financial representation.
I’ve seen hundreds of UFOC item #19 disclosures. One that sticks out in my mind is the 4/1/2004 Item #19 disclosure that Carvel made in its UFOC. The disclosure was that the average Carvel purchased 395 gallons of ice cream mix for the year 2003 and that 43% of the stores met or exceeded that purchase amount. That’s all they disclosed, it was up to the prospective franchisees and advisers to talk to existing franchisees and extrapolate earning projections or ROI.
The FTC is considering changing the title of Item #19 from "Earning Claims" to "Financial Representation" or something as benign. The goal of which is that more franchisors would make a financial representation.
Peace to all,
Jim Coen, Franchise Perfection, 877-469-3002, jim@franchiseperfection.com, www.franchiseperfetion.com
Digital Copy of Carvel's 4/1/2004 Earnings Claim
CARVEL CORPORATION
4/1/2004
200 Glenridge Point Pkwy., # 200
Atlanta, GA 30342-1450
Contact: Mr. Geoff Hill
Tel: (800) 227-8353 (404) 705-2070
Fax: (404) 255-4978
E-mail: ghill@carvel.com
Website: www.carvel.com
Franchised Units: 475
Company-Owned Units: 0
Total Units: 475
ITEM 19
EARNINGS CLAIMS
CAUTION – THIS EARNINGS INFORMATION APPLIES TO A CARVEL FULL
STORE ONLY AND HAS NO RELEVANCE TO A CARVEL CITY CENTER STORE
OR CARVEL EXPRESS STORE. IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING THE PURCHASE OF A
CARVEL CITY CENTER STORE OR CARVEL EXPRESS STORE, DO NOT
CONSIDER THIS EARNINGS INFORMATION IN DETERMINING WHETHER TO
PURCHASE YOUR CARVEL CITY CENTER STORE OR CARVEL EXPRESS STORE
FRANCHISE.
During 2003, there were 288 Carvel Full Stores open for business for the entire 12 months. For these 288 stores, the average number of gallons of ice cream mix purchased by these stores during 2003 was 395 (the “Average Gallon Purchase”). Of the 288 Carvel Full Stores that were open for business during all of 2003, 124 or 43.1% of these Carvel Full Stores met or exceeded the average gallons of ice cream mix purchased during 2003.
Your results are likely to differ from the results stated above. This information identifies average gallons purchased only and does not include any data on the costs that you may expect to incur in operating your Carvel Full Store. The number of gallons of ice cream mix purchased at a Carvel Full Store depends on many factors, including geographic location, competition within themarket area, customer demand, marketing efforts by the Carvel Full Store, appearance of the Carvel Full Store, and the quality of service provided to customers.
You should conduct an independent investigation of the business contemplated by this Franchise Offering Circular; recognize that it involves business risks, and recognize that making a success of a venture is largely dependent on your own business abilities. We are not giving you any assurance or warranty, express or implied, as to the potential success of any Carvel Full Store business you operate or the profits that you may achieve. The information on gallons purchased during 2003 was provided to us by our distributors of the ice cream mix. Neither we nor our Carvel Full Store franchisees have verified the information provided to us by our distributors.
The information provided in this Item 19 has not been audited by an independent certified public accountant. We will provide substantiation of the data used to prepare this earnings claim to you on your reasonable request, although we will not disclose the identity of any Carvel Full Store owner. Except as provided in this Item 19, we do not furnish, or authorize our salespersons or anyone else to furnish, any oral or written information on the actual or potential sales, costs, income, or profits of a Carvel Full Store, Carvel City Center Store or Carvel Express Store. Actual results vary from unit to unit and we cannot estimate the results of any particular franchisee.
Carvel made a financial representation not an earnings claim!
Bob,
They have made a financial representation based on what they know. At that time Carvel did not collect royalties they sold ice cream mix.
Carvel is an example of a product oriented franchise, where the franchisor sells product to the franchisees, in a sense the royalty is built into the price of the product.
Since Carvel did not track gross sales of it's franchisees the financial representation is based on what they do know, and that is how much mix the average store purchased.
It may not be a "full earnings claim" but at least it's a financial represention it's a place for a prospective franchisee to start.
I will post an example of a more detailed "full earnings claim".
Jim Coen, Franchise Perfection, 877-469-3002, jim@franchiseperfection.com, www.franchiseperfetion.com
New 'Dear Franny' column
Great comments, and I like the idea behind this "Dear Franny" section. I gave a superficial response to a question very similar to this by giving out companies that have low investment costs. I figured that low investment costs and fixed costs allow revenue streams to come way down in order to support a store.
As Franny points out, there is much more that needs to be considered than road traffic or the list I gave of coffee shops for low initial investment franchises.
Craig
Just call 1-800-FOO-LISH!
CONSIDER EVERYTHING Matt: (and others who may read this column)Mr. Cohen made many good points in his post. I believe his MAIN POINT was that I omitted Franchise Perfection from my ‘short list’ of possible organizations who may be interested in assisting you in the selection of a franchise. This is evident by the contradictory nature of his posting and in his closing “Thanks for your Consideration”. So for clarification, I’m going to touch on a few of the points which Mr. Cohen makes. I’ll start by acknowledging that I’m sure Mr. Cohen and his organization would like to assist you in your franchise selection, as would many other individuals and organizations who earn their revenues from such efforts.
Mr. Cohen suggests that before making your decision you consider:
What are your experiences, skills and lifestyle desires? Are you willing and able to commit the time, investment and effort food requires?I agree wholeheartedly that these are considerations which you need to take into account, and intended to communicate this when I wrote:
Notice that I did not specifically say “Experiences” because the fact is that you’ve most likely never had experience in owning and operating a franchise concept of the franchisor(s) with whom you may be considering. Sometimes, industry specific “Experience” can actually be a detriment to your success, and count against you by a prospective franchisor when weighing your qualifications for consideration. It is however important that your “Experience” align itself with the skill set necessary for success. Ultimately you are trying to position yourself so that you ‘work on the business not in the business. I have ZERO experience as a short order cook, however I have tons of experience in the operational aspects of operating a business and consider myself to have what I refer to as DEW (a Desire to Grow, an Eagerness to Learn and a Willingness to be taught) therefore I believe that I could successfully own and operate a fast food franchise.
Continuing down Mr. Cohen’s list in order:
I agree, and it should be obvious to us all that the more geographically relevant the data being used, the more beneficial such data will be. However in order to gain “local” statistics you will most likely need to conduct your own market study. An effort that may be worthwhile, but somewhat premature at this stage of consideration.
Okay, this sounds good and was addressed in my post with: “…and then develop a methodology of economically and profitably fulfilling that need.” Key word being ‘economically’. I’m currently in the market to purchase a new vehicle. I’ve decided that I’m going to purchase an automobile, but have not yet decided on a make and model. I’d really like to have a Ferrari F430 and even if the $180,000 price tag didn’t deter me, the actual cost of ownership including such things as depreciation, financing, Insurance, State Fees, Fuel, Maintenance, Repairs etc… most likely would. My point is quite simply this First you decide I want a business, then you decide on a type of business and then you decide on which business within that type you can afford to acquire and develop.
Bovine Defecation! There is an average for anything consisting of 2 or more. Now there is no such thing as a guaranteed ROI, however every Standard Industrial Classification has associated with it an AVERAGE ROI. When looking at a P&L statement every line item has associated with it a percentage. My accountant can tell me when any line item like office supplies or gross profit or net profit begins to climb above or falls below the generally accepted averages. If you can not predict a ROI greater than what would have been earned on the investment then why invest money in something other than a passbook savings account, CD or treasury note?
Bat Guano! It was not my suggestion that looking at a list of restaurants constituted “Sufficient Market Research” however it certainly is a starting point. When you see a genre begin to exceed the saturation point of what can reasonably be supported in a profitable manner it must send up a RED FLAG. Within a given market, there are only so many dollars being spent on a product category. In order to be successful you must be able to take market share, create a market, serve an un-served market or expand the market. When I look at the average expenditures on commercially prepared chicken and the potential competition currently serving the Lebanon market, (i.e. Lee’s and KFC) I do not see room for Church’s or Popeye’s or even Chick-fill-A. However I might consider a Fazoli’s or Amato’s being that no Italian is represented on the list or perhaps a Bar-B-Q for the same reason. Additionally Amato’s and most of the Bar-B-Q concepts offer catering options which could help to expand your market.
Yes, sorta kinda. Household income should be considered to a point. So let’s rule out Ruth’s Chris in part because of household income and in part because it’s not a place you eat once a week unless you’re Mr. BlueMauMau, and therefore the lower population doesn’t support it. However, the cost of living in New York City is more than 400% greater than that of Lebanon, but both profitably support such establishments as McDonalds, Burger King etc…. The real key indicator becomes ‘Disposable Income’. We both know the cost of living in Lebanon is much lower than in other parts of the state and country.
Sounds familiar, I believe I’ve provided this same advice before. However, without a pre-conceived concept in mind I’d encourage that you evaluate opportunities that are doing well in markets similar to Lebanon and then see which of those are the most appealing to you.
For instance just because My Daddy’s Cheesecake is popular in Cape Girardeau , MO does not mean it will be successful in Lebanon.
Nor does it mean that it will not. No two markets are going to be identical. Nor was I pushing My Daddy’s Cheesecake. However, it is an up and coming concept, near you. Low cost of entry, multiple revenue streams, un-served market, and provides for the ‘Sweet Tooth’ which was indicated that Lebanon needs.
Relevance? NYC is a Gazillion times that of Lebanon yet still supports similar concepts. It all comes down to a need in the market which is or isn’t being adequately served.
I’m sure Mr. Cohen would love to hook you up with one of the 15 Franchise Concepts listed on his website. I’m sure one of them is exactly what Lebanon needs! I’m sure that the other 4,985 franchisors represent concepts which would never work in Lebanon, KY. I doubt Mr. Cohen has ever broken bread in Lebanon, celebrated in the infield on derby day, set foot on blue grass, or tasted My Daddy’s Cheesecake.
When investing in a franchise there is a lot to consider. Never invest in a franchise or anything based on a short posting on a bulletin board, this one or any other. When making an investment one must consider the amount of data which is necessary to make an informed, educated decision. When investing in a pizza for lunch, not a lot of consideration is necessary, you might want to consider:
These considerations will be made in subliminal manner in the subconscious of your mind without a great deal of thought or effort. After all, if you get a bad slice of pizza, blow your lunch budget or run out of time, it’s no life changing event. However if you’re considering the investment into the ownership and or establishment of a pizza business obviously there are many more factors which one would consider. More than can be posted in a single response on a bulletin board. In fact there are 100’s of books written on how to select and invest in a franchise and 100’s on owning and investing in business in general. One might be wise to read them all, however after having done so you’d most likely be too old and too confused by the varying opinions to invest in anything.
Should you decide to retain the services of a franchise broker or consultant, you would be wise to spend as much time in the selection of your advisor as you’ll ultimately spend on the selection of the right franchise concept for you and your market. Brokers can save you a lot of time, energy and effort. They are familiar with various concepts, and the requirements of those concepts. However, most brokers only make money if you purchase a franchise. So when selecting a broker find one that has a real interest in you, and who is looking to create a relationship beyond the purchase of a single unit.
One of the reasons I tossed out the names of FranNet and FranChoice, besides their obvious stature in the industry had to do with the fact that they have representation in Kentucky. There are many other organizations which can also assist you in your efforts, even without actually being in Kentucky. I included FranSynergy in the list because of the obvious, and because our approach is very different. We work with prospective franchisees because we hope that once becoming a franchisee that they’ll choose to become a FranSynergy client and utilize our bundled business solution in the growth and development of their franchise. We work some clients on a retained basis, and are paid by the client. Therefore we can provided non-biased opinions and recommendations which often mean telling the prospective franchisee that they are not a good franchise candidate or that they need additional operating capital or that a concept is not viable in a specific market. At other times after getting to know a prospective franchisee we will recommend that they contact a franchise broker for further assistance. We then match them to brokers who have the right mix of franchise concepts in their portfolio.
What I was trying to communicate to you, and I believe Mr. Cohen was as well and any franchise professional would communicate is that one most consider a lot of information when selecting and investing in a franchise. If there were, I’d have simply read your original post:
Dear Franny,I have great location with 15,000 car count in a small town. Any food franchise that would fit this? Thanks,MattAnd responded with. Absolutely, call Foods-R-Us at 1-800-FOO-LISH and send them a check for $30,000 and put another $350,000 into an operating fund and go on a 6 month vacation to the Bahamas’. When you get back you’ll have an operating unit which will provide the income and security you need to make all of your dreams and goals a reality.
Believe & Succeed,
Franny,
Isn't this a GREAT Forum for Franchising!
Jim:
I stand corrected on your name, my apologies. I have a good friend with the last name Cohen and it is a force of habit I suppose.
No you really did not hit a nerve. Matt and I had a running discussion regarding his situation. I was trying to provide Matt with an understanding of the process which one might go through in selecting the best franchise for his particular situation and your advice seemed to muddy the waters. The muddiness I’m sure was exaggerated by what had already become a rather frustrating day at the time which I responded. Unfortunately I let my emotions run amuck in my response and apologize to you, and Blue MauMau readers for including unnecessary verbiage.
To some degree everyone here at Blue MauMau has an agenda to promote. Perhaps that agenda is in the marketing of their business, the selection of a franchise or finding the solution to a real problem which they may be experiencing in their business. The really Great thing about this forum is that it provides us all with an opportunity to get a lot of varying opinions from a variety of vantage points. Seldom are we ever going to all agree on anything, and to the readers advantage they have the opportunity to evaluate various advice and formulate their on opinions based on our ranting and ravings at times, and sound but varying advice at others. One of the facts that I’m constantly communicating to my team hear at FranSynergy is that it’s okay for us to disagree. If we always agreed with each other, some of us would be unnecessary. Debate is also a way in which many of us learn to understand the opposing side of a situation.
I stand by the advice which I’ve provided, and expect that you stand by yours. At the end of the day, I’m sure we both want to see Matt secure the best franchise for his situation and our advice is just that advice. Matt must take the advice which he receives from us, and that which he will ultimately receive from his in-laws, outlaws, friends and neighbors weigh it all and come to a decision that he believes provides him with the best opportunity for success.
Sincerely,
Franny!
Return on Investment
Every prospective franchisee asks "How much can I make?"Very few zors make an Earnings Claim (Item 19 in the UFOC), and while there is no definitive study on the matter, my guess is that the 20% quoted by Coen is correct. I try to get prospects to look at franchising as a business decision, but emotional factors often override (or even preclude) an objective economic analysis by prospective franchisees.
I have always suspected that one of the reasons zors use brokers and "independent" sales agents is to insulate themselves from regulatory problems resulting from the inevitable sotto voce Earnings Claim, but that's another story.
I personally am a big fan of the hands-on approach--sitting in the car for a few hours during morn/lunch/aft/eve/night and observing the traffic patterns. But I think that the big-picture approach (SMSA / Census tract data, etc) is a welcome addition; and with the wealth of data on the Internet one would be foolish not to factor in the macro factors.
In short, the advice given by both Coen and Franny is fairly mainstream counsel, and I don't see anything in their discussion thread which would cause me to say that either one is off the deep end. For all the fireworks, the analysis is classic pre-purchase stuff.
By the way Jim, I have long since given up trying to get people to spell my name with "berg" and since my bank will cash the client checks made out to "burg", I don't care so long as the check clears.
--Paul Steinberg, pwsteinberg@msn.com
Carvel's Earnings
This looks pretty interesting but I cannot find Item 19 in the post, the actual Earnings Claim. You succeeded in getting me hungry. Where's the beef / cream?Frankman
Small Town U.S.A.
Dear Franny,
Thank you for taking time to answer my franchise questions.
I'm thinking of owning and running a franchise right on Main Street of Lebanon, Kentucky. Most likely, I need a small prototype.
Here are the specifics of my town. It is a cozy and friendly town that once took some Civil War heat.
The town's population is 5,000. We are the seat of Marion County, with a county population of 18,000. We have a Subways, McDonald's, KFC/Taco Bell, Long John Silvers, Curves, a Wendy's, a RadioShack, a Blockbuster, an HRBlock and a Jackson Hewitt franchise in town.
Main Street, which is also a state route, has 15000 cars passing by in a given day.
Main Street intersects with another state road, a Y-intersection with car traffic around 30,000. Naturally, our local McDonald's is located at our most trafficked intersection, on the left side of the Y intersection. There is an elementary school a block up the right arm of the Y. On the right side of the intersection across the street from McDonald's, there are some abandoned retail shops. Almost all other fast-food restaurants are down the Y leg, tucked right next to our local Wal-Mart complex. Speaking of Wal-Mart, they plan to build a SuperCenter here in 2007. Where not exactly sure where they will build it at this point.
The high school building and middle school is on the other side of town on Main Street / State Road 68. The only franchise out that direction is a Blockbusters Video in a small strip mall complex.
I think there is a pent up demand for sweets in this Southern township.
Matt
So Much To Consider!
Matt:
It just so happens that I’m very familiar with Lebanon. Several years ago I spent 6 months consulting with a company in Russell Springs, and during that time my family and I leased a home in Jamestown on Lake Cumberland. We had several opportunities to visit Lebanon. I’ve known a lot of people who have gone to school in E-town and I’ve worked with a number of people in establishing franchise locations throughout Kentucky.
When launching any business – franchise or otherwise – the norm is to FIRST identify a need and then develop a methodology of economically and profitably fulfilling that need. For instance, Mr. Blue MauMau recognized that there was a need for providing an internet portal that served the franchisee and prospective franchisee, FranSynergy saw a need to deliver various business systems to franchisees that fill the void between that provided by the franchisor to the franchisee and that which the franchisee remains responsible as the owner of a franchise business. One of the questions which you must answer is what need exists in your market which is not currently being served or can be served by you more efficiently, effectively and profitably.
As we look back to your original question, which was:“I have great location with 15,000 car count in a small town. Any food franchise that would fit this?”
Assuming that an interest existed in owning and operating a food franchisee one of the first questions which I would ask myself or you, would be “Is there a need for a restaurant in this market?” I’ve taken a quick look at what is available and I’ve identified 22 restaurants in the city limits of Lebanon. Obviously with 22 restaurants in the market (some of which are franchise concepts, your market can support a restaurant; the question becomes can it support another restaurant, and if so what kind?
With Lebanon’s population of 5,718 people or 2,487 households (2.28 people per household) that is 260 people per restaurant. According to a report by the National Restaurant Association the average person over the age of 8, eats 4.2 commercially prepared meals per week, so based on the Lebanon population we can assume that there are approximately 24,000 commercially prepared meals eaten per week by the citizens of Lebanon. Granted some of these meals will be eaten in other nearby towns, and some meals are consumed by persons who do not reside in Lebanon, so for now well assume that this translates into an offset. It’s also unlikely that Lebanon residents spread their commercially prepared food dollars equally to the 22 restaurants in Lebanon, but let’s assume for a minute that you do achieve 1/23rd of the market, this would mean that you’d be serving approximately 1,044 meals per week. With the average check for a commercially prepared meal currently being $6.07 that translates into total gross receipts of about $6,200 per week or $26,660 per month, $319,000 per year. Assuming the average restaurant post-tax profit of 6% of Gross Receipts this translates into about $19,152 per year in profit. Add in a reasonable owner’s salary of 40,000 per year, is this enough to justify the use of the property, the investment, risk and return on investment? The profit which could be expected to be realized on an investment of 200K would translate into about 10%, and to 8% at 250K. It all comes down to can we find something with a LOW investment or that has a huge need allowing you to capture more than a 23rd of the market.
There are four commercial restaurant segments:
Restaurant categories are also segmented by chain type:
Let’s look at those 22 Restaurants in the Lebanon market and see if we see specific food types or segments not served or under-served.
Blues On Tap Restaurant & Bar 110 N Proctor Knott Ave
Cardinal Den 225 W Water St
Los Meriachis 119 W Main St
D & S Main St Café 117 W Main St
Country Kitchen 213 W Main St
Big Jim's Bar & Grill 212 W Main St
Papa John's Pizza 255 N Depot St
El Rincon Michoacano 431 E Main St
Mc Donald's 503 W Main St
Lee's Famous Recipe Chicken Campbellsville Rd
Taco Bell 601 W Main St
Pizza Hut 680 W Main St
Long John Silver's 757 W Main St
Subway Sandwiches & Salads 124 Lebanon Trade Ctr
KFC 780 W Main St
Taco Bell 780 W Main St
Rio's Steakhouse of Lebanon 784 W Main St
China King Buffet 791 W Main St
Wendy's 804 W Main St
Cedarwood Restaurant 660 E Main St
Mc Donald's 145 Cemetery Rd
Fergie's Classic Grill & Bar 45 Mcelroy Pike
It would appear as though the Pizza, Mexican and chicken are all well served in the market. Burgers are also well served, however they represent 67% of the LSR market, so perhaps there’s room for another burger joint so we’ll keep that open. Seafood, Steak, Chinese, home-style and cold-cut all seem to be adequately served. Excluding pizza the most obvious food type not currently served is Italian.
If we look at the segment types we see plenty of LSR, Casual Dining and Mid-scale restaurant types. Perhaps there’s room for upscale, however the initial investment and low population would tend to exclude them. So what is the need?
I would be looking at a LSR burger, focused on drive through and or car-hop service which offers sweets as you’ve indicated. So I’m thinking Sonic which now offers a variety of non-traditional concepts and Dairy Queen both of which offer a variety of ice-cream products being that the nearest ice-cream parlors appear to be some 20+ miles away. The Sonic model would provide an option not currently available in the Market, and of course Dairy Queen is a Southern tradition with the nearest location being 20+ miles away, yet offering top of the mind awareness to most in your community.
Other small prototype offerings from Back-Yard Burgers, Rally’s/Checkers, Krystal’s, and Nathan’s which offers co-branding options, might also be worthy of consideration.While staying in the restaurant/food franchise arena, here’s my dark-horse consideration, My Daddy’s Cheesecake an emerging franchise concept owned by Kevin Stanfield who in addition to being the Franchisor of My Daddy’s Cheesecake he is also a very successful multi- unit Blimpie franchisee. Besides offering the best Cheesecake you’ve ever eaten this concept provides customers with complete meal options and the franchise owner with a variety of income streams through mail order and product sales through area grocery stores. To clarify, you have income from the unit and you’re able to derive income from more distant markets by making the product available through nearby grocery stores and other restaurants. This franchisor is close to you, based in Cape Girardeau, MO and is new thereby allowing you to negotiate better terms on a relatively new franchise concept.
NOW HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, why are you limiting yourself and your location to a food concept that is already saturated based on population, when there are so many other viable franchise business concepts which are not currently servicing your market? Concepts that would have less competition, comparable or even lower investments, and provide a greater return on investment. A few of these might include:
Personally, I’d like to see you focus on market need, areas of interest, desired life style, return on investment etc…. instead of trying to find a food concept that you can put on a piece of property. There are many companies which would like to work with you to find the “BEST FIT” for you, a few of this would be FranNet, FranChoice and of course my company FranSynergy. I hope you’ve found my thoughts and suggestions to be helpful in your endeavor. If I can be of any additional assistance, please don’t hesitate to post your question here at Blue MauMau or you may contact me directly by emailing me Franny@fransynergy.com
Best of Luck,
Franny
P.S. Remember Luck is opportunity meeting preparation!
What's In A Surname?
By the way Jim, I have long since given up trying to get people to spell my name with "berg" and since my bank will cash the client checks made out to "burg", I don't care so long as the check clears. - Paul Steinberg
I have long since given up trying to get people to not only spell my name but also to say my name correctly. Fortunately, my bank also is very loose on the spelling variations.
Don Sniegowski
aka Don Snegorsky
aka Dawn Fnegski
aka Donald Sniggy
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Favorite? The Great Labowski
Truth Through Different Eyes
The really Great thing about this forum is that it provides us all with an opportunity to get a lot of varying opinions from a variety of vantage points. Seldom are we ever going to all agree on anything, and to the readers advantage they have the opportunity to evaluate various advice and formulate their on opinions based on our ranting and ravings at times, and sound but varying advice at others. - Franny
Dear Franny,
That is beautifully said and it is indeed the value to franchise candidates and owners of a site such as this. They get the whole franchise picture through different perspectives.
Mr. Blue MauMau
Chiming In...
Well, I chose to stay out of this fray this week, and am happy with my decision.
I am not "Feeling the love" yet, but I am sure that will change.
As Winston, My Airedale Terrier said the other day:
"You know, sometimes walking away from a fight is the more courageous thing to do".
I agree, but do not usually follow his advice.
Guys and gals, let's continue to provide intelligent advice in this great franchise forum, have frank discussions {Sorry Frank}, and have some fun.
Our knowledge will promote our businesses!
Map of Small Town U.S.A.
Dear Franny,
Great information! Wow!!
I thought I'd contribute this map of Lebanon, KY and its fast-food restaurants. "M" stands for McDonald's and "P" for Pizza Hut. Notice the intersection that has been discussed. Lots of state roads - 49, 55, 52 -- running through it or close to it.
-don-
p.s. Click on the map to see an interactive fast-food map of the United States. This link and other fun links are in Blue MauMau's Weblinks Directory.
Erudite Airedale
I liked what your very erudite Airedale has said. One day you'll have to share with the rest of the world how you managed to train him to be so articulate. I'm thinking franchise chain here.
Frankman
1-800-Airedale
1-800-Airedale/
That would be the obvious name.
YOU would be the obvious choice to bankroll the concept, of course, Frankman
J
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