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TSFA Response to Greg Brenneman QSR Interview

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"Short-Term Changes Like 'Putting Lipstick on a Pig' to Benefit IPO"

DENVER (Blue MauMau) - The TSFA would like to make this very clear: We have nothing against Mr. Brenneman and we are not out to destroy the Quiznos brand; far from it. The Quiznos brand represents a financial investment made by every franchisee. The root of the problems in this chain, however (that still exist), is that just like Quiznos would not respond to Fred Minnick (QSR writer) in the past, they also would not respond to franchisees’ critical concerns and issues over the years.

The TSFA has always been and will always be extremely concerned about the franchisees and the future of this brand. We are franchisees. We are the heart and soul of what makes this franchise work. Without the franchisees, this franchise is nothing but a corporate headquarters. It is the persona of our organization (the only independent representation of Quiznos franchisee in the U.S.). Despite Mr. Brenneman’s expressed concerns about the plight of franchisee in this chain, Quiznos has done little to improve the communications chains or problem-resolution chains. In seven months at the helm, Mr. Brenneman has failed to make simple and obvious changes, such as changing the methods whereby every franchisee computes their costs (food, labor paper) from one that doesn’t reflect true costs, to one that does. The current method distorts and under-reports true costs. We have heard and seen many promises of things to come, and for this, we have “hope” and “faith”. But “hope alone is not a strategy, and faith is not a course of action."

The truth of the situation is that it has been the direct and vocal actions of the TSFA that have all but mandated and forced the limited changes we have seen thus far. Mr. Brenneman would be remiss to deny that. Mr. Brenneman also repeats the mistakes of his predecessors if he dismisses the value and impact of the TSFA in this chain. We think Mr. Brenneman would not be here today, was it not for the direct actions of the TSFA (a story in itself) that created a chain of events leading to his arrival.

We are not content with, nor do we have the time to rely on this corporation to selfregulate itself in order to make the required changes that are obvious to most. Instead, as franchisees, our very financial survival depends on these changes, and so we must pursue Courses-of-Action that force these changes, as appropriate, in a timely fashion.

Some recent Blue MauMau pundits have gone so far as to theorize that our motives have to do with a takeover of the company. This is pure balderdash. It is clear that Quiznos’ plans are to take the company public and launch an IPO. Those who will benefit most include the 50 or so companies that hold stock in the current privately-held Quiznos Corporation, and private equity firms, such as Mr. Brenneman’s. The TSFA has no financial stake in this future chain of events.

There are no hidden agendas by the TSFA, although in order to divert attention from the facts, we have been accused by Quiznos of possessing them. The TSFA board is not self-serving. We are all volunteer franchisees, working without compensation, much to Quiznos’ chagrin. Our goal has always been to secure the rights of all the franchisees in the system and to make sure that the franchisees are making a decent profit based on our individual investments, plain and simple. We also expect to have a voice in the current and future direction of this chain, since without franchisees, this chain is nothing but a concept (the corporation only owns approximately 2 stores out of nearly 5000). Our TSFA President and his wife alone have combined over two decades worth of experience with Quiznos. Mr. Brenneman has a few scant months.

Unfortunately, a professional relationship was impossible to establish with the previous management team, despite our best efforts. Instead, our complaints were met with legal responses in what appeared to be an effort to silence us. We have yet to establish a professional relationship with the current management team.

It is always difficult to reason with unreasonable people, and this was the case in the past. Before the TSFA publicized the problems in this chain, we attempted to communicate with corporate via numerous letters and emails over the years, to create a dialogue to resolve issues. All of these attempts were ignored. The TSFA sent a letter to JPMorgan as well, once they purchased a major share of the chain. Quiznos responded with numerous lawsuits against several TSFA Board Members and TSFA members. The response to speaking out in the past was to get slapped with a lawsuit, regardless of the validity of your claims. Legal action on our part, by its very nature and expense, was a last-resort-effort to fix the problems in the chain and to give restitution to franchisees that were casualties of the previous management team.

We believe that Mr. Brenneman has made some limited progress in making the obvious changes that the TSFA has been advocating for years. Unfortunately, so far, it is much too little, and for many facing bankruptcy, much too late. Mr. Brenneman has also improved communications with franchisees in small ways; something the previous management team had failed to do at all. However, the corporation still fails to recognize the TSFA as the only independent U.S. franchisee representation, despite the significant number of franchisees we represent and the fact that we continue to grow.Communications are still ad hoc across the Quiznos system. We encounter franchisees almost daily with issues for which they can’t get a response from Quiznos. There is no permanent and reliable communications system in place. Many franchisees fear that the short-term changes, just represent “putting lipstick on a pig”, for the benefit of an eventual IPO.

Mr. Brenneman has kept his word in putting together one of the best management teams in the industry, but whether that team will execute a plan that significantly benefits the majority of franchisees in this chain, remains to be seen. Rusty Spinney, Brandon Turner, Mike Elliott, Steve Provost, Rich Emmett and Clyde Rucker are all highly qualified additions to the new management team. They represent “hope” for what Quiznos lacked in the past.

The TSFA is optimistic about the future of the company and we will support Mr. Brenneman and the new management team to the point that the changes made benefit the majority of franchisees, but that does not mean that the TSFA will put blinders on. Optimism is a fleeting emotion that can only be sustained through positive results. We will continue to be objectively vocal regarding the decisions that corporate makes, as we have always done in the past. Every corporation or entity, government or private, needs its watchdog-partner, and that is but one role the TSFA plays. It is clear from the past actions of the corporation that “absolute power can corrupt absolutely”.

With that said, it is unfortunate that Mr. Brenneman’s perception of the TSFA is a distorted one. We perceive that any impression he has of the TSFA is formulated based on the filtered opinions of those around him, since he has no direct contact with the TSFA. He has never met with the board of the TSFA in order to discuss issues or improvements to this chain. From our perspective, that is unfortunate, since he overlooks the talents and operational expertise that exist within this organization.

After all, our organization is a grassroots organization, founded by franchisees to support franchisees, and we continue to thrive because our goals have been honest and open. Our membership is strong and includes a strong cross section of the Quiznos franchise community: top performing franchisees, struggling franchisees, terminated franchisees and bankrupt franchisees. We will continue to grow.

In the May 2007 issue of QSR magazine “A Tale of Two Quiznos” Mr. Brenneman made some unfortunate comments about the TSFA stating that the TSFA is not thoughtful and objective and that he “ignores most of that stuff”. See below.

QSR: The Toasted Subs Franchisee Association has been very critical of Quiznos, calling for 'whistle-blowers' in the franchise group. How do you feel about the association?

GB: I have nothing against people expressing their opinions and being thoughtful about it. If you go to the [TSFA} web site, there’s trial attorneys advertising. It’s hard for me coming into the system to say that’s an independent, objective group. It’s certainly not representative of the system. I don’t think it’s either destructive or productive. If they want that forum to talk, they can. I ignore most of that stuff and do what I think is best to drive profitability for franchise owners.

It is disappointing to see Mr. Brenneman make comments like that when he has never had any dialogue with the TSFA. He does not know us, understand the chain-wide issues (or chooses to ignore them) and he does not understand the position we were forced into.

Mr. Brenneman fails to acknowledge the depth of this chain’s problems and the financial dilemma it has brought upon literally thousands of franchisees. Bankruptcies, divorces, repossessed homes, broken families and other tragedies suffered by franchisees can not be ignored by Mr. Brenneman. Noticeably absent from Mr. Brenneman’s comments are any mention of the great services the TSFA provides for its members Nor does he mention how we assist franchisees in various issues, when they can get no help at all from the Corporation on the same issues.

Due to his scant tenure in this chain, Mr. Brenneman may not understand or appreciate the history of this company and what the franchisees have had to deal with in the past. That may be the reason he came to illogical conclusions in regards to the TSFA. The TSFA represents a significant number of franchisees and for him to say that he “ignores most of that stuff” is a slap in the face to those franchisees. It represents denial, and denial won’t fix this chain. These are words that would have come from the previous Quiznos regime.

If a large number of franchisees choose to have independent representation that is reasonable and objective, then he should at the very least respect that decision and work with the association; a more enlightened person would embrace the idea. After all, we are “his customers”, much as “our customers” are the ones who come into our stores daily.

As for Quiznos growth rate, they continue to place stores in close proximity to others, without as much as an “impact study” on the existing Quiznos stores. This is still reminiscent of the corporate irresponsibility of the past. One could clearly make the case that any slow-down in growth is not of Quiznos’ choosing, but a reaction to sentiment about the way the brand was, or currently is, operated.

Despite all the differences between the TSFA and Quiznos over the last several years, the TSFA remains open to dialogue and cautiously optimistic with the directional changes at Quiznos.

We are franchisees and we represent franchisees. We have been advocating for franchisees for over six years. We are comprised of educated and talented people, who have a financial stake in the future of this franchise. We are here today, and we will be here tomorrow; we look forward to working with Quiznos to make it as successful a franchise as the TSFA knows it can be.

Signed,
The TSFA Board of Directors

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QUIZNOS TSFA will not be silenced by Guest
The TSFA points out that it is their investments in the individual units that stand Quiznos Corporate up and that it is Quiznos Corporate who want to try to greatly profit on the franchisee investments that drives Quiznos management policies. Even though Mr. Bremerman, personally, might like to work more cooperatively with the franchisees, it may be that his Board has other plans and that the GREED that precipitated the problems for the franchisees (but not for Corporate Q) will continue to rule the day. We must not forget that Quiznos was willing to destroy TSFA franchisees to silence them from talking about Bob Baber. There weren't at all adverse to ruining these franchisees to silence them. Mr. Breneman might do better to work on the problems than to put PR out there that further alienates the franchisees who bear the entire and crushing loss when their individual units fail and they are silenced in bankruptcy. Quiznos has no capital investment in these individual units. Quiznos is selling out in the world now and working to expand their Brand worldwide to do what?? Will they, like other large networks, depend on new sales and attrition, and the long delays in the courts that exhaust the finances of the franchisees to solve their problems for them? We can see that public policy and the status quo will again favor the franchisor. PS - I read Mr. Bremerman's biography and he appears to be a good Christian man. But, can the holy spirit of franchising be reconciled with the holy spirit of the Trinity? While the separation of the state and religion is necessary, is the separation of one's conscience from business matters also neceasary? Will secular societies and secular capitalism be devoid of ethics which are derived from one's personal values and belief systems. Will a rule of law devoid of ethical business standards serve the interests of democracy?
LIPSTICK ON A PIG IN A POKE by Guest
The Pig might look a little better but you franchisees still end up in the sty. LET THE BUYER BEWARE!
It is time by Jim Blue

TSFA Board,

If you continue in the established relationship you have with Quiznos would you not expect to continue with the same results?  It is time for a militant posture with Quizons management.  Determine the actions necesary to make Quiznos work with franchise owners as coequal stakeholders and implement those actions.  A large committed membership should produce positive change.

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JimB

TSFA never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity by Guest
The TSFA really went out of their way to get Brenneman at least interested in listening to their concerns. The TSFA continues to overplay its hand! And they had a strong hand when Brenneman first came on board. They have succeeded in insulting him and putting him in a position less likely to recognize the TSFA even in an advisory capacity.
The Biggest Mistake..... by Tinker
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"We perceive that any impression he has of the TSFA is formulated based on the filtered opinions of those around him, since he has no direct contact with the TSFA. He has never met with the board of the TSFA in order to discuss issues or improvements to this chain. From our perspective, that is unfortunate, since he overlooks the talents and operational expertise that exist within this organization."

Although I've been hired many times over the years to come in a clean up corporate messes, I've never had one the size that faces Brenemann at Quiznos.  However, regardless of the size of the mess, the first step is to get a true picture of ALL the problems and that means getting down in the trenches.  Talk with your foot-soldiers, lay your hands on the problems...........get dirty.  Then and only then are you in the position to step back and factor everything in to coming up with a solution.  The upside of that strategy is the morale factor as well.  When your troops feel you truly know the battle they face and THEY had a say in possible solutions.  This is also a tremendous help with implementation of changes that will be necessary.

Come on Brenemann, meet with your franchisees.  You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Rhino Super Center

A New Lawsuit by Guest
And the beat goes on for Quiznos. Four disgruntled Ohio franchisees have now filed a lawsuit against the company. Just another indication that in his six months Mr. Brennenman hasn't tackled the primary problem within Quiznos, franchisee disenchantment and unrest.
TSFA Questions by jd

What are the membership numbers of the TSFA? 

Why are there former franchisees members of the TSFA Board?  Do you think that there is any concern that Quizno's corporate might not want to have sit-down conversations with the TSFA because of former franchisees being involved? 

Why Ex-Franchisees On TSFA Board by Guest
Probably because current franchisees are concerned that Q will come after them if they become too involved with the TSFA.
New CEO's brought in to save the Corporate Franchisor by Guest
We must not forget that Mr. Bremerman was brought into QUIZNOS to quiet things down in the Network on behalf of the franchisors primarily, who pay him the big bucks to fix the problem. Are Quiznos Corporate profits suffering and to what degree? The fact that he won't even talk to the TSFA who represent a cross-section of the Quiznos Network of Stores is telling! How many more Quiznos will fail while waiting for the problems to be fixed and these failed franchisees, for the most part, are silenced in failure and have no recourse to the courts?
It is time! But how can Q's be militant without hurting their by Guest
Of course, it is time! Good to see you back JimB, but how can Quiznos ZEES be militant without hurting their own asset ---without increasing their risk of losing everything they have invested? The FA and the UFOC are set up to discourage any collective bargaining and under contract franchisees are not co-equal stakeholders. They are unequal stakeholders who stand to lose everything when their individual business fails! They are silenced and fade into obscurity unless they take their life in a bathroom of a Quiznos store. Maybe, Richard Solomon would post on this. Should more Q ZEES initiate law suits while they still are standing and have the opportunity to do so? Would the added pressure of more law suits bring Mr. Bremerman to the table with the TSFA to work on the problems cooperatively. Should TSFA hire a gun like Richard Solomon who would threaten Quiznos with organizing the franchises to sue in a massive class action unless they did engage in collective bargaining to save the network? It is in everyone's best interests to save the network if the network is threatened. The fact that Mr. Bremerman will not engage in any collective bargaining is telling in that they think they can survive with the present status quo and a little lipstick applied to the pig. The pig for the franchisee is so often just the sacrificial lamb for the franchisor who doesn't share in the failure or the "breakeven" status of the franchisees.
Illogical conclusion... by Guest
Brenneman on the job 6 months! Another lawsuit must mean he is doing a poor job is a ridiculous premise. What did you expect from Brenneman MAGIC!
As a Franchisor I would not be inclined to deal with TSFA by Guest
especially with its leadership by former Qzees. I would direct the TSFA to consult with QFAC.
Because there are MORE by Guest
Because there are MORE former franchisee's than current ones! And that is due to this systems poor business model.
FRUSTRATION ON THE QUIZNOS ISSUES by RichardSolomon
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The Quiznos franchisees, just like any other group of franchisees who are being dumped on by their franchisor, simply won't take militant action for the reason you just mentioned. Fearing that they will wreck their capital investment if they go to the barricades, they choose slow death. It's not just the Q franchisees. It's like that in every bad deal franchise population.

I could actually do more good for the future survival of the franchisees if I were retained by the franchisor.

The franchisor management are and have been in hunker down mode, fearing 'trial lawyers" while lawyered up the wazoo themselves. The franchisor management lacks the ability to work outside the box, so the deadly malady persists, with everyone's investment never getting well.

Management's lawyers tell them they are "right", whatever that is - they don't know themselves. To them "right" is defined in the contract. That's really not very bright. I'm not suggesting that the contract be thrown in the trash. It has to be the last redoubt if the only resort is to litigation. But it doesn't have to be that way.

Mr. Brenneman views the franchisees like he would normally view a union in a traditional company sense. He is a stranger in a strange land, surrounded by people who are boxed into traditional franchisor mind sets.

The franchisees haven't done everything in an inspired manner either, so the situation will remain at swordpoints. Neither side has any credibility with the other, and the minor cosmetic gestures to date are not reassuring. The franchisees are not in the loop on what the company might be willing to consider in relationship restructuring, and they behave like anyone who isn't in the loop when their interests are being "decided". There is something that passes for dialogue, but in reality it isn't dialogue. Everything is fear and angst driven, just as it has always been at Quiznos.

Another reason the lawyers for Q don't become more pro active is that they simply don't know how, and they are unwilling to piss off management who is paying them big bucks. If you had a flash of insight, but were unwilling to have your client stare you in the face and say "Quit telling me how to run my damn business or I can easily get other lawyers", it's the same as if you didn't get the flash of insight in the first place. Lawyers are no different from anyone else when it comes to risking someone shutting off the money faucet.  

If the present level of noise persists- and that's what most all of the Quiznos fight has always been about - I wouldn't expect progress no matter who the new CEO of Quiznos might become. If no one will risk looking over the top of his trench for fear he might get his head shot off, nothing will change.

Richard Solomon
www.FranchiseRemedies.com


Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
SOME BASIC THINGS NEED TO BE UNDERSTOOD by RichardSolomon
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Quiznos has been heaven on earth for lawyers for many years. It isn't performing for its franchisees as well as it is performing for its lawyers. People have been trying to take each other"to the wall" for a long time. Do you think that may not really be accomplishing much?

Class action lawsuits rarely accomplish anything in franchising. Why people think that class action lawsuits are the answer to any problem is a whole discussion in itself. The class action lawsuit attracts mainly the contingent fee lawyers. They only get paid if there is money recovery or if in the resolution of the litigation the franchisor agrees to pay their fees. That makes them almost totally fee motivated rather than situation improvement motivated. There are VERY RARE exceptions to that statement.

In contingent fee representation the clients" aren't paying the lawyers. It is perceived by the franchisees as a free ride, and if it works great, and if it doesn't, well at least we didn't pay legal fees. If the main problem is encroachment, the dispute isn't suitable for class action treatment anyway, as the impact of any claimed encroachment is an individual question on a store by store basis and not a fact question common to the class. That issue is one of the most critical issues in deciding whether to certify any lawsuit as a class action.  Bringing encroachment cases as class action lawsuits is the nicest present franchisees can give to their franchisor, as it permits the franchisor to jerk them around on the class action certification questions for years, exhausting their will and their resources - and eventually resulting in the denial of certification anyway. The class action lawsuit is, for these and other reasons, the worst way to approach dispute resolution. It's only suitable for mass dmaages claims where the issues are the same as to everyone in the class group. Even in its best mode - individual encroachment cases - franchisors usually win, not because the law is rigged, but because the evidence of impact is almost never sufficiently convincing. The franchisee has an impact expert and the franchisor has an impact expert. The judge/jury is left to flip a coin. In that scenario the franchisees usually lose.

Someone might have a chance at being effective if there is someone with credibility inside the franchisor company working toward something that has not been given proper evaluation so far. All this noise makes it just about impossible (given the current state of relationships) for the franchisees to hire anyone to represent them who could make a difference from the outside.

Richard Solomon
www.FranchiseRemedies.com


Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
QUIZNOS IPO by RichardSolomon
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Where do people get information that Quiznos is trying to launch an IPO?

 

Richard Solomon
www.FranchiseRemedies.com


Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
And therein lies the problem by Guest
You would probably do just that. What egotistical nonsense. You have no standing to direct the TSFA as to who they consult with. You overbearing jerk. This is exactly why there are so many lawsuits against franchisors. They write adhesive contracts, charm franchisees into signing them by pretending that they really care about the franchisees and really believe that the franchises are "partners" when they really consider them indentured servants with no say once they sign the contract. Yes, send them to the FAC, the rubber stamp committee with no real say in anything. If you had any guts, you would sit down and talk things through with the TSFA which is made up of realists who really would like to just be treated fairly as major stakeholders in the business! But then you would have to deal with reality and be unable to gloss over your failures!
It's all about POWER ---Quiznos ---CB ----The UPS Store by Guest
The ZOR maintains the POWER by not bargaining with ZEES. Richard Solomon tells it like it is. The ZORS will only deal with those ZEES who are controlled by the ZORS and who are friendly to the ZORS because of their satisfactory status; i.e. breaking even or even making profits. The fact and brutal truth is that all ZEES have to keep walking the ZOR line to service their debt and/or to save their investments and this fact of life protects the POWER of the ZOR. Even the escape to court is an illusion becuse the ZORS, with their FA's, the procedural roadblocks, their superior financial position, and public policy in their corner always do very well with the courts. But, the recourse to the courts is the only possible avenue to survival of the individual who can still stand up to fight back. Until the ZOR's profits are affected adversely and they have no opportunity for wheeling and dealing with IPO's, etc... they won't talk and will just let ZEES fail into silence in the bankruptcy courts. They will sell new franchises; and sell highly discounted stores (the failures) to stand-by entrepreneurs in their network and churn into infinity. They play the odds in their own favor and ZEES are merely a resource of capital and labor that they control to the benefit of their profits. ZEES are divided and stripped of power and have no protection under our laws because they are not employees; they are not co-equal partners; they are ""entrepreneurs" who work long and hard, often without pay, with the hope that they can profit off of the rental of a brand name and a brand "proven" business plan. If ZEES can't pay themselves a wage, they can't even get worker's Compensation or Unemployment when their business fails. They can work 80-hour weeks for nothing to try to prevent failure but the ZOR collects the royalties and the supply profits, etc.. no matter what the status of the ZEE for the term of the contract or until failure. Breakeven is modern-day indenture and a return to the Mom and Pop concept from which there is no escape. Bob Baber's wife, with five? children, worked long and hard for nothing to try to save their life savings. In the end, Bob Baber, who was financially and emotionally destroyed chose death in lieu of an arbitration that he couldn't afford. What is really going to happen to Deborah and Richard of the Coffee Beanery? Will they have their 15 minutes of fame with our elected officials and then fade away into obscurity while JoAnne Shaw tours the world looking for new markets for the Coffee Beanery? This is the formula for franchising and the really smart people are franchisors and not franchisees who are the sacrificial lambs who are sacrificed under the FA's and public policy to a "good economy" and the "public good.! When franchisees don't see the "pig in the poke" and end up being sacrificial lambs, their bleating is silenced upon their financial death. The "Silence of the Lambs" is premeditated in the FA's.
And you are surpised that... by Guest
Brenneman may want to deal with current matters with current franchisees? Former franchisees dredging up tales of woe does nothing but obfuscate the problems and concerns of today!
Let him do his job. by FranSynergy
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There's no reason for Brenneman to deal with ex-franchisees.  If TSFA is serious about contributing to change and improvement, active ZEEs committed to building and growing the brand should be on the board, and the organization as a whole should focus on the NOW and the FUTURE and LET GO of the past.

TSFA has the option to be a part of the solution or a part of the problem.  Brenneman has his hands full moving the organization to the future - and there is no need for him to invest valuable time and resources on the past. 

Brenneman is a pretty sharp cookie - with a pretty good track record.  Let the man do the job that he was hired to do.  If he thinks his time is best spent in dealing with the board of TSFA, I'm sure that he'll do that.  His job is to HELP current franchisees.  It is not to help ex-franchisees or to help franchisee organizations. 

Believe & Succeed,
Dale
FranSynergy, Inc.
Synergizing Franchising!
www.fransynergy.com

Believe & Succeed,
Dale
FranSynergy, Inc.
Synergizing Franchising!
www.fransynergy.com

ONE MORE THING by RichardSolomon
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Quiznos isn't like Burger King. In BK there are a lot of extremely successful franchisees - representing a healthy core group through whom things can get accomplished. Not so at Quiznos. This is a different kettle of franchisees. 

Richard Solomon
www.FranchiseRemedies.com


Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Quizno's Insider Info on possible IPO by Guest
The information is essentially fabricated to give the fabricator a false sense of control and authority of being in the know. Or an simpler answer is they make it up.
Why is it? by FranSynergy
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Why is it "the problem"?

Why is it "egotistical nonsense"?

Why must the guest be an "overbearing jerk" simply for expressing his/her opinion -- as you do?

Guest did not state that s/he was associated with Q so why do you assume guest should discuss anything with TSFA?  Guest simply stated an opinion from his/her vantage point.

Believe & Succeed,
Dale
FranSynergy, Inc.
Synergizing Franchising!
www.fransynergy.com

Believe & Succeed,
Dale
FranSynergy, Inc.
Synergizing Franchising!
www.fransynergy.com

It's astounding by Bubba Sparky

the position that so many franchisors take with respect to their zees.  Given the reach and growing ability of the internet to influence the dynamic of the zor/zee relationship, if anything, it is more logical than not to adopt a better strategy toward dealing with discontent.  If anything, a rubber-stamping FAC seems increasingly merely a tactic designed to placated the idiotic masses, and those capable of seeing through such strategery are increasingly letting their frustrations known to a wider and more intelligent audience.

If they do not know already, franchisors had best be aware that they have received notice.  Subjugation and repression are no longer effective means of eliminating discontent (not that they were to begin with - assuming you found adequate counsel).  The internet, for many, has shown that a PR grass-roots blitz can be had by even those without technological backgrounds.

As such, it is far more rational, not to mention perhaps even ethical and sensical, to proactively approach the zor/zee relationship with an understanding that there is a gradually increasing shift in bargaining power, and not in the zor's favor, and that easing the draconian, onerous and patently unfair contractual language may be, in the long term, in the franchisor's best interests.  This is not to say such a change in the zor/zee balance is coming in the near future, but more to say that it may pay from a financial and PR standpoint to be ahead of the wave than to be forced to adapt after the wave.

Zees Are Still Standing by Guest
THE ZEES STILL STAND DON'T UNDER ESTIMATE THE ZEES You must be some kind of flamming Idiot There is a first time for everything. Its when you become so comfortable that you forget to look over your shoulder and that is a mistake
If they're doing the same things..... by Tinker
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than he BETTER pay attention to the past, because he's going to get the same results.  Quiznos & Brenemann would be well-advised to get past the egos and their chest pounding antics and LEARN from their mistakes if they 'truly' want to grow and improve this franchise.

Rhino Super Center

DIFFERENT KETTLE AND DIFFERENT ZOR --GREEDY by Guest
The Greed of Corporate Management at Quiznos is what produced the problems and Richard Solomon seems to be suggesting that the ZOR should step out of the box and realize that if they continue their present policies that eventually their policy of "no territorial protection" and planned encroachment will impact their profits. Maybe! Maybe, not for a year or so but eventually it will catch up with them. He is suggesting that the Attorneys for the Zors should be proactive in urging the Zors to start a dialouge with the ZEES but the ZORS don't and won't do this until THEIR PROFITS are impacted to the degree that they are forced to talk. In the meantime, Quiznos will recycle their failed stores and keep the majority walking the line of breakeven that they have to walk in order to avoid losing everything. The ZOR holds the Aces under public policy and the rule of law.
QUIZNOS IPO by RichardSolomon
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That's kinda what I was thinking. Too many factors don't seem to fit for that to be a real near term prospect. Under present circumstances, an IPO could probably be wrecked by someone with sufficient imagination and aggression. 

Richard Solomon
www.FranchiseRemedies.com


Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
I am not an ANIMAL (jerk)... by Guest
The words seemed more exciting if I wrote them as the "Elephant Man". Emotional repsonses to business issues is what you get from most TSFA type gaggles. There are plenty of active, functioning and effective FACs at work in franchising. You just don't hear about them because they function well. Quizno's is disfunctional and the TSFA is disfunctional, if you put the two togehter what will you have?
ACTUALLY IT'S NOT ASTOUNDING AT ALL by RichardSolomon
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What we see now is the detritus of a ruined relationship. It's just like the angry spouse who finds that hubby/wife has been cheating/unfaithful/both cheating and unfaithful.

Since the relationship is not competently understood when it is entered into, the franchisees have expectations of status and obligations due to them that they simply never had in the deal. The documents at least are perfectly clear on that point.

The agreement says rather explicitly that this is my concept, my trade identity, and I will let you use it under my sole and absolute direction. You will do what I say in the manner that I say it is to be done.

I, on the other hand, do not have to consider your likes and dislikes, preferences or aspirations in deciding upon the manner in which I may choose to conduct this business. It's my business and you are allowed to participate in it only on my terms - SO SHUT UP AND PAY YOUR DAMN ROYALTIES AND DON'T GIVE ME ANY CRAP!

If anyone has ever seen a franchise contract that doesn't say that, please post it so we can all see what it looks like.

This manner of conducting affairs should come as no surprise, as it is exactly the model of religious commitment. Religious commitment provides that there is only one way and that you have to conform to it or fry eternally in an excruciatingly painful hell.  

If it's good enough for God, then by God's holy troussers it's good enough for you.

Then, when you get what the contract that you willingly signed says it is the franchisor's prerogative to inflict, you wonder why all this could be allowed and why doesn't the government do something to protect you from the terms of agreements you willingly signed. You want contracts not to be enforceable and your business risk losses to be picked up by someone else.

Since there are so many of you who sign these agreements having no understanding of their import, politicians will from time to time hold "hearings" which allow you to vent in their photo opp as they posture as being infused with the milk of human kindness, looking out for the little man.

Judging by the rate at which you run to the politicians, you must also be ignorant enough to believe what they say to you.

Government leaders are chosen by the most incompetent people in the world, the voters. Unfortunately, when that occurs, you get a much more effective and higher quality government than if it were chosen in some other manner. Look at the countries where the leaders claim they were selected by God.

If you took steps to become competently informed about the terms of your franchise relationship, maybe you would be more reticent about buying into what you now call enslavement. At least the slaves of the bible and of nineteenth century America didn't write big checks to become slaves. Does this mean we are digressing?

Richard Solomon
www.FranchiseRemedies.com


Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Zee/Zor by Guest
Bubba if only the Zors would listen to reason. You speak the truth. There is much going on behind the scenes as well as on BMM. The Zors no longer get a free ride. Its long over due but itis due, and it will happen. You will hear about it on BMM first, but trust me, you will hear about it in other media as well. WE ARE THROUGH SITTING BACK, TURNING THE OTHER WAY AND ALLOWING YOU TO CALL THE SHOTS ZORS THE ZEES ARE HERE TO STAY WE ARE STAYING ON OUR TERMS
This Old House by Jim Blue
Roger Cook the landscape guy says with all construction a little destruction comes first.  That may not mean a lawsuit initiated by TSFA but rather competent actionable advice from an experienced franchise attorney equipped with the necessary hardware and creativity to impact Q management.  Neither TSFA nor Q management are going to destruct the Quiznos brand, none of it needs to be public.  TSFA needs to take Q management to the wall and get the organization into this century.  Success could set a model for a change in Zee/Zor relationships.

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JimB

The Wisdom of Solomon and the Cynicism of Muldoon by Guest
Thank you Richard! for sticking to the truth. It was your essays and Les Stewart's writings that started me on my research for the truth about franchising. I am your student. Would you please look at the new Patriot Loan Initiative and see if there is anything good in there for our troopa snd their families who will be overcome by the appearance of government endorsement of those who are on the SBA Registry. Maybe the new rule on collateral will work to the good of the troops in the cheaper franchises or will this promote more scams?
No surprise on Q by Guest
Rumors about a Quiznos IPO have been floating around since the failed attempt to sell the company. But I haven't heard of any serious recent efforts, so the post could be just been old rumor. We already know the Schadens want out, and that the private sale didn't work out well. It is logical that a public offering would be the better option. My understanding is that the private placement folks were scared off by the negative press (not just the franchisee lawsuits). By contrast, individual investors will buy anything if the story is good,fundamentals be damned. No surprise if Q did an IPO, but if anyone has hard info that this is in the works, please post.
Interesting post! by Guest
So what is it you think that you are going to do to promote, dare I say a revolution? Franchisees don't own the brand the franchisor does and most times the franchisees don't agree with one another since their individaul interests are not aligned.
Yes by Bubba Sparky

But there are some boiler plate provisions that, given the internet, are more problematic than they are worth.  Such as lack of exclusive territory - a prospect would be stupid to agree to such a provision *cough Quiznos cough* but people do it anyway.  If a zee is making a substantial amount, the zor will use that as a selling point to entice another prospect into a location right next to you. 

Actually, in a way I think you're right.  It's less about the ethics of having onerous contractual terms and more about the prospects that view the zor/zee relationship through such an emotionally tinged prism and actually believe the sweet nothings whispered in their ears that they don't pay enough attention to what is indirectly promised and what is actually contracted. 

In the end, no matter how fraudulent/evil the zor is, it in no way abrogates the zee's need to conduct due diligence, if only to have a better leg to stand on once the relationship falls apart (not that this would be of much comfort at such a time).

The conflict between ZOR profits and ZEE survival by Guest
The conflict between ZOR profits and the survivability of the ZEES will always be solved in the interests of the ZORS as long as they can hide the re-cycled failures from new prospective franchisees in the UFOC's. The ZORS keep the network franchisees divided because it is really true "united we stand and divided we fall." Only when Push comes to Shove will the ZOR give at all. They are afraid of the possibility of having to collectively bargain with a whole network in which they have no capital investment in the physical units whatsoever but on whom they depend for their profits.
The TSFA Zealots... by Guest
The TSFA is perceived as a group of zealots. They are not reasonable they are emotional. They are so consumed by their emotions that they cannot constructively organize and get to Quizno's management. The TSFA should clean their slate of officers and replace them. They then may be able to be percieved by Quizno's management as a force for positive change. The TSFA would be wise to work through their Quizno's Franchise Advisory Council (FAC) to promote change as well.
SAME SHYTE, ANOTHER DAY by RichardSolomon
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Nothing has changed. What makes you think things are going to change? Do you really believe that the market place has suddenly embraced some kind of sympathetic morality instead of scoundrels just finding another way to get government funds to flow in the grinder.

Vets have to get competent due diligence just like everyone else. If they don't, they will end up like everyone else - some few will do well and the rest will just be flushed through the system. 

Richard Solomon
www.FranchiseRemedies.com


Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Load of crap by Guest
You need underwriting, investment bankers, positive outlook for the stock and good fundamentals. You don't know what you are talking about.
You must be an outsider by Guest
The Quiznos FAC is and always has been a powerless puppet organization. The TSFA had tried to work with the FAC in the past but some FAC members were just as frustrated with corporate as the TSFA and some were only concerned about their own situations - NOT the franchisees they were suppose to be representing. Now that GB is there he wants nothing to do with the FAC. GB would rather deal with franchisees on an individual bases.
You sound just like the UPS by Guest
You sound just like the UPS Store People. FAC people are POWERLESS
TOO BAD --SO SAD --BEEN HAD1 by Guest
New sticker for car bumpers of The UPS Store, Quiznos, Sona, and The Coffee Beanery and how many others we don't know about, all of whom appear on the SBA Registry. Did you see how the new Coffee Franchise --ELLIANOS ---is using the SBA Franchise Registry and the UFOC as a Sales tool? THE CONGRESS needs to see that franchising is regulated at least as well as securities are regulated by the SEC. This Fran-Data --SBA --- Patriot Express initiative needs to be investigated but who is left to investigaste it? Certainly not the Senate Judiciary Committee or the Small Business Committees of the House and the Senate. It is their child and a child born of special interests. Our Attorney Generals only work for the Executive and not for the people. Oh! I forgot! This is public policy and rationalized as serving the "public good."
SPLEEN DU JOUR by RichardSolomon
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It's so nice once more to return to ranting about something other than Coffee Beanery and JoAnne Shaw. 


What would we do if it weren't for Quiznos to show every potential franchise investor one of the many reasons why a novice might not be the right person to buy a sandwich franchise? And who but UPS - doing it up Brown for us every day - would we have to enjoy daily protrayals of the options for franchisor abuse that lie blatantly in every franchise agreement, in response to questions about which the franchise sales director/vice president/consultant says "Oh we would never do anything to hurt our family of franchisees. Why they're our bread and butter, our very life blood."

And doesn't it bring a smile and a sigh that the summer air carries upon its breezes the sounds of consummate franchise misery, with its contrapuntal invective, sort of a syncopated miserere. One might easily imagine that the door to hell was ajar and we were hearing the sounds of what Dante was writing about.

The best franchise to invest in? HMMMMM - - let me think a moment. Oh yeah. I got it now. Become a franchise lawyer! No franchise lawyer ever went broke in the hiistory of franchising, although some have been known to have wasted themselves on wine, song and some occasional sexual opportunism. Of well. You've certainly heard that joke about what's the difference between a rooster in the chicken yard and a lawyer, right?

When I think of some of the imbecile lawyers I have encountered over the last 44 years, it is easy to conclude that even a franchisee could do it - - sort of a play on the Geico Caveman adverts, what.

Maybe that creates a niche opportunity for me to think about starting a travelling seminar teaching lawyers about franchising from a "boot camp" perspective. An all day seminar with the morning spent on how to do killer due diligence on franchise investment opportunities, and an afternoon session spent on franchising disputes and how to sort them out. Hell, I've already written just about all the written materials for such a program. All I need now is a partner to organize the seminar program and provide the working capital. About twenty cities a year with about 50 attendees or so at each seminar at $ 500 a crack (and the same charge for men) - - let's see, now - that comes to $ 500,000 a year - an easily achievable gross.

Oh GEEZ! I just made an earnings claim.

 

Richard Solomon
www.FranchiseRemedies.com


Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
if you only wanted insiders then you need to be on TSFA forum by Guest
Since Quizno's has a FAC and likely Quizno's wrote the by-laws it makes tough for them to ignore their own creation. And yes case-by-case individual franchise matters should be handled with each individual franchisee. I don't think you know what Brenneman thinks of the FAC. Why don't you ask for the minutes of the last FAC meeting for your own review. Have you called your FAC representative to discuss the FAC agenda? It is easy to say that the FAC is a puppet organization, but one must remember they are franchisees as well and if they are getting special consideration you should speak formally to the FAC and determine whether it is true or not. Regarding power of the FAC; the FAC is an advisory organization and therefore it advises Quizno's Corporate on various items related to health and welfare of the brand and system. It can never have direct power it can only influence, but it within influence there is a great deal of power. Most FACS seem to focus on the power they do not have and squander the power they do have.
What kind of power should a FAC have? by Guest
We've read posts that criticize the powerlessness of the Quizno's and UPS Storess' FACS. So tell us what kind of power they should have?
FACS POWER by RichardSolomon
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An FACS never - by definition - has any power or is intended to have any power. It is there to make suggestions for consideration only.   

Richard Solomon
www.FranchiseRemedies.com


Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
I dont care what kind of by Guest
I dont care what kind of power they have. BUT Don't tell me they have power when they don't. Dont take my calls when all things are rosy, and then send me to FAC when things go wrong. Personally, I think all FAC's should be disbanned. The only ones that serve on them are the darlings of corporate. If something goes wrong with their store, the franchisor just hires them. Afterall, that should shut them up.
Earnings Claim du Jour by pizzaguy

Waxing so lyrically you must have had your cereality this morning.

Alas, like so many a system out there - you haven't made an earnings claim - you've made a revenue claim.

Once your private jet, hotel room, single malt and cuban cigars ( bought by a non US ctizen ) have been factored in we'll be back to a CB scenario.  

PizzaGuy

PizzaGuy
Well that gives a glimpse of your perspective... by Guest
Has it ocurred to you that you may be wrong and if you changed, things would change?
CEREALITY DU JOUR by RichardSolomon
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Speaking of Cereality, did I see a correct posting on some other/lesser lights franchise forum that claimed that one of the four Cerealty emporia (specifically the one in Evanston, Illionois) was closed, boarded up and the equipment ripped out of it? Did some blue noses get upset when they heard that the waitresses would put cream on your cereal? Did they auction off the waitress's pajamas? Did they wash 'em first? Do Hooters' thongs smell/taste like fried chicken? If so, I wonder what Cereality waitress' PJs taste like.

Pizza Guy, you know me too well. If you were a real friend of mine, you would at least keep those lascivious tendencies of mine private and not tell everyone what a hedonistic swine I really am. Thanks, Pal.

Maybe Cereality's mistake can be corrected by merging it into Dagwood's Sandwich Shops where they don't sell franchises - they award them.

You know I actually almost came to physical confrontation with an ex jock client of mine who actually believed he was gonna receive a bloody award from Dagwood's.

Who in here is willing to tell us what his/her reaction would be to some franchise sales person saying "We don't sell franchises. We award them".  

 

Richard Solomon
www.FranchiseRemedies.com


Richard Solomon, FranchiseRemedies.com,  has over 45 years experience with franchise litigation and crisis management. He is a graduate of The Citadel and The University of Michigan Law School
Hedonistic Award du Jour by pizzaguy

What? One of the outlets of the leading brand in the breakfast ( for wimps ) segment boarded up? Could it be that they had inside info on global warming and have skeedaddled to higher ground?

There is apparently no truth to the rumour that in an effort to compete with Hooters the new Cereality uniforms have been developed in conjunction with Victoria's Secret.

Dagwood's will be merging with the mighty Kahala corp who have also announced a new fresh and healthy spinach concept.

In their multi branded units you can now have cereal in Betty Boop PJ's, lunch with Dagwood and have 1001 different variations of spinach for dinner ( if you are lucky enough to be awarded one of the new Popeye's Spinach Emporium franchises )

Such self indulgence. 

 

PizzaGuy

PizzaGuy