UPS is Wrong About Franchisees at Shareholder Meeting

UPS spokesman Norman Black's recitation of the events at this year's annual meeting is preposterous. However, based on our experience with their ongoing pattern of inaccuracy regarding the conversion of the Mail Boxes Etc. stores to the competing UPS Store brand his statements are what we have come to expect from UPS.

This is the third time that I have attended the UPS annual shareholders meeting. The first two years I received the annual report and proxy and I brought them with me. However, at the two previous meetings I completed the sign in form and I was never asked for anything beyond my driver's license and social security number. There was no barging in. I was treated with smiles and courtesy. I thought it was very strange that I did not receive any documents or SEC letters this year but I went anyway as I fully expected my admission to be handled in the same uneventful manner as the two previous years.

I knew things were different this year when I observed the very nervous demeanor of the woman at the sign in desk who needed to whisper my situation to the head security person with her hand covering her mouth. He then came back with a security detail and I immediately felt threatened with bodily harm. I then left.

Mr. Black is also wrong in asserting "that they then made it clear to them that next year they were going to follow the rules." He said they told them, "We want you to come and we want you to attend, but you have to show proof of stock ownership. That's all we ask. And then, lo and behold, they show up again this year not following the rules."

The truth of the matter is that there was absolutely no discussion of the admission process last year as there had been no problems with accepting my social security number as a way to show my status as a shareholder. Additionally, fellow PSA member Jim Humbert never made it to the meeting last year.

When I asked my question from the floor last year UPS CEO Mike Eskew called me by name and responded to the question I had asked the previous year! That question was, "What percent of the franchise system is profitable for the franchisee?" At that 2006 meeting neither he nor Scott Davis had an answer. I had thrown out the number that there were reports that 60% of the network was not profitable. At the 2007 meeting Mr. Eskew stated that number was inaccurate but never said what the accurate number was. When he came over to speak to me after the meeting ended he said that the problem with getting an answer was that franchisee self-reporting of profitability was not reliable. I responded, "Bingo." He said, "What?" I said "Bingo. If franchisee self reporting of profitability is not reliable now then it was not reliable in 2003 when UPS told franchisees that "Based on self reporting of profitability by MBE franchisees in the UPS Gold Shield test stores The UPS Store business model would be more profitable than MBE."

It should also be pointed out that franchisee litigation against UPS is over five years old. Furthermore, if as UPS claims, our cases are without merit, I suggest that UPS management release the details of the Howard Siegal NOHO arbitration to their Board of Directors and their shareholders. Someone might suggest that they avoid the appearance of stonewalling.

As to what is newsworthy the relevant question is why this company can't be forthright with its franchisees, its shareholders and the media. They have described their UPS Store locations as being good for "reverse logistics." That is UPS code for forcing their franchises, who are not unionized, into being staffed drop boxes for UPS parcels. They believe that it is perfectly acceptable to compete with their franchisees when it suits their purpose. They seem to feel that bare knuckled bully tactics against mom and pop franchisees who have their life savings on the line are totally appropriate. We will not go away. We will bring this cynical, uncaring, indifferent corporation to justice.

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UPS LAWSUIT

http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/nonpub/B196029.PDF

Do you suppose that UPS did not want this to be brought up at the shareholders meeting? The opinion had not been issued, but the handwriting was on the wall.

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Amen. UPS we will see you in court. We will never give up and we will never give in.

Cathy Gordon
PSA member

Unrelated Comment

This post does not really fit the blog regarding the UPS shareholder's meeting. I will allow it to stay here for now but such off-topic postings on The UPS Store really are best fitted for The UPS Store / Mail-Boxes-Etc. forum - here.

Mr. Blue MauMau
Moderator

Need Help

We had signed up and they returned only partial amount.. See we can help you against making case for fraud and cheated system..
Please reply to this blog..

Go Joe!

Thank you Joe for your courage and leadership in our pursuit of justice.
victory4us

re: Go Joe!

The cheerleading may feel good but it doesn't mean a thing. Joe's recounting of his failed mission is interesting and fanciful but again means nothing.

Even if he had gained entry what magnificent thing would have happened? Heck it means more to you go rah rahs that he didn't acually make it in.

The Truth Shall Set You Free!

TIF

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I hope it clears up for you. Are you taking anything for it? It won't go away by itself you know. 

The Truth Shall Set You Free!

TIF

Thanks, Joe

For your leadership and courage! - and for setting the record straight!

Let's see if Norman can spin his way out of that one. How did he tell someone who was not there last year what would happen this year.

And three meetings and they still can tell us what % are profitable, yet they set sail on a fool hardy journey based on one month results of not reliable information.

Their whole justification was that December Sales were better than November. Duh, welcome to retail, call it Christmas, Holiday or Peak, it is always the best month of the year, but certainly not a predictor of what will happen the other 11 months!

Doubtful Joe...

You are unlikely to prevail against UPS. UPS changed the rules for MBE and at the same time the package store industry declined as whole.  

You are among many rats jumping from a sinking ship.

Save yourself! 

The Truth Shall Set You Free!

TIF

UPS Sinking boat

Yes. That is correct. I had applied and lost $5000 and stop their. Becuase it s all commision based system.

Area developer pushed for signig and get check cash..
Real estate developer works for their real estate transation and signed for their commision without any
thinking that it is sustainable or not r how it will fit (rent, lease, MAc) etc in to business..

Finally they said you ad ignored all choice they showed in your area market and I ignored because of high rent. You can find rel estate with in near by very chip but they want hign cost and high lease ...

bull shit...

There will be another subprime mortgage from US franchise system in US financial system.

Because bank and SBA are also providing loan easily on paper plan without thinking that business will sustain or survive..
What I don't get is if you put 20% down in franchise business all banking are approving SBA loan... if you go alone you don't ..no mater how good b paln you have..

I guess wait until another SBA subprime from/by US franchise..

Tif, have you no shame?

>You are unlikely to prevail against UPS. UPS changed the rules for MBE and at the same time the package store industry declined as whole.<<

Where are your facts to back up your ridiculous statement. How many stores did UPS add. How many did Fedex Kinkos add, how many new independents opened. Show me any credible evidence that the package store industry declined as a whole. Go ahead, lets see your proof, or are you still blowing smoke?

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This thread is moving off of the topic of the UPS shareholders meeting. This comment has been moved here.

Postings and stories about problems with The UPS Store / Mail-Boxes-Etc. concept really should be posted in the forum, The UPS Store, Tales of Gore.

Yep, and the Yankess always

Yep, and the Yankess always win the World Series, the USSR still exists, IBM is the only computer company, AT&T just got the exclusive contract to supply phones to ENRON etc., etc.

I'd rather be a rat than a slave.

The truth is I set myself free. Think outside of slogans.

Right on Joe!

Right on Joe.

Mr. Black's misstatements remind me of some of the nonsense that UPS/MBE leaders were spewing around the time of the UPS Store conversion. Unfortunately, most store owners fell for it.

This quote is from a UPS Store Area Franchisee, April 2003

"These are the people who can’t believe that their parents, bosses, friends, spouses, children and business associates may actually and sincerely be trying to help them succeed. If you let them, these people will infect you and make you start to be distrustful of your own better judgment. They are trying to bring you down to their own level of self-inflicted misery. Don’t let them. You need to make the right decision to preserve your investment, to save your business. UPS hasn’t grown to be a huge, powerful, successful, worldwide business by making stupid business decisions. Their investment in us is not a mistake unless we turn our backs on this opportunity. Make the smart decision. Go with Brown and take home the Green!"

UPS and Fairness

Joe writes: "They have described their UPS Store locations as being good for "reverse logistics." That is UPS code for forcing their franchises, who are not unionized, into being staffed drop boxes for UPS parcels. They believe that it is perfectly acceptable to compete with their franchisees when it suits their purpose."

This is the heart of the problem, or so I believe.  (Not the heart of the MBE conversion lawsuits.)

This problem, and indeed it is a problem and not primarily a contractual dispute, ought to be resolved -even it is only amongst the UPS franchisees- by running a simulated negotiation on it to come up with an acceptable solution to the UPS. 

Michael Webster PhD LLB
Franchise News

Michael is right

The reason for the purchase and subsequent "test" of branding was so that UPS could sell RS and ARS to its existing customers. So they could go out there on the street and say that XXXX percentage of the companies customer base is within XXXXX # of miles of a free place to drop your returns.

UPS and Fairness

Mr. Webster this is most certainly a contractual issue whish not only affects the UPSS but also the 1000's of independent Pack and Ship stores that must accept these packages, by contractual obligation, and the tremendous liability that goes with them.

By liability I am talking about the Hazardous Material liability that UPS places squarely on the store owners back from both UPS and the Federal Governemnt. This liability is placed on the store owner eventhough we are not paid to ship the package, we are purely acting as a drop box for UPS, FEDEX, DHL and the USPS.

Attempts to talk to any of the carriers of this situation are fruitless. Compensation for these packages is far less than adequate. And the funny part is if you call UPS to come pickup an ARS/RS at you home they will charge you a $10.00 pickup fee, yet they pay the store 80 cents.

Yes there is a solution to this situation but all of the carriers refuse to listen to it and are only concerned with getting the return package business by under cutting each other. These packages incur none of the carriers many additonal fees, fuel surcharge etc. the rate charged for these packages is rock bottom and in some cases a money loser.

UPS and drop-off compensation

"if you call UPS to come pickup an ARS/RS at you home they will charge you a $10.00 pickup fee, yet they pay the store 80 cents."

It's my belief that UPS' compensation to stores, as pointed out by the previous poster, is at the heart of the problems facing not only UPS Store and Mail Boxes Etc. franchisees, but the growing profitabilty problem faced by every "pack and ship" store, franchisee or independent, in existence. These dropoffs increase every week, and in many--perhaps most--instances far outnumber paid (and profitable) shipments.

If UPS (and the other carriers, who follow UPS' lead) would provide compensation for drop-offs that is equal to what they charge customers to have UPS drivers make a pickup ($10), many of the current problems would be instantly solved.

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